Science people: debunk this (OP image fixed)

[fred da kiko]

the closest we have to "perpetual" motion are magnet generators. they go for extremely long amounts of time and can create some energy, but are easily forgeted up and require a restart after a certain amount of time.

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[Fredulus]

Its a ball of air in open air
It's falling
It just also happens to have string tensions also acting on it, but the forces in effect due to the balls in open air are downward due to gravity.  This is known as falling

oh my god. go tie 4 balls into a circle of string. put them over 2 axles like in the picture. note that no balls will be falling, because theyre tied together. thus, the only reason balls "fall" in this case is because the balls on the right float up (supposedly).

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magnet generators

All generators contain magnets o.O

[fred da kiko]

All generators contain magnets o.O

i mean generators that are turned by forces caused by magnets acting on each other.

[Nexus]

the closest we have to "perpetual" motion are magnet generators. they go for extremely long amounts of time and can create some energy, but are easily forgeted up and require a restart after a certain amount of time.

Magnet generators need to be cranked, and they produce electricity by resisting the spinning motion.  Really anything would be perpetual motion without friction.  However, what we are discussing here isn't perpetual motion, it is a system that would actually continue to accelerate and generate power because not everyone knows about fluid pressures and where the force resisting the system exists.

[Fredulus]

Magnet generators need to be cranked, and they produce electricity by resisting the spinning motion.  Really anything would be perpetual motion without friction.  However, what we are discussing here isn't perpetual motion, it is a system that would actually continue to accelerate and generate power because not everyone knows about fluid pressures and where the force resisting the system exists.

did you figure out that the balls arent falling yet?

[Trifax]

Don't forget that unless the balloons are extremely hydrophobic, as some rare substances are, they will have added mass from water clinging to the balloon after they leave the chamber.

[dkamm65]

oh my god. go tie 4 balls into a circle of string. put them over 2 axles like in the picture. note that no balls will be falling, because theyre tied together. thus, the only reason balls "fall" in this case is because the balls on the right float up (supposedly).

You are so stupid. He doesn't mean they are in motion, he means gravity is pulling them down. i.e "falling".

It just also happens to have string tensions also acting on it, but the forces in effect due to the balls in open air are downward due to gravity.  This is known as falling

[Fredulus]

You are so stupid. He doesn't mean they are in motion, he means gravity is pulling them down. i.e "falling".

yes but gravity alone isnt enough to pull them down because theyre attached to the balls on the other side, and gravity pulls on both sides, balancing out so neither would fall.
the thing that tips the scale is the balls floating up.

you people lack basic logical skills

[dkamm65]

yes but gravity alone isnt enough to pull them down because theyre attached to the balls on the other side, and gravity pulls on both sides, balancing out so neither would fall.
the thing that tips the scale is the balls floating up.

you people lack basic logical skills

There is still a force being exerted on the balls.

[Fredulus]

There is still a force being exerted on the balls.

and? all me and kalph were saying is that the floating balls have to pull the balls on the left down.

[Kalphiter]

yes but gravity alone isnt enough to pull them down because theyre attached to the balls on the other side, and gravity pulls on both sides, balancing out so neither would fall.
the thing that tips the scale is the balls floating up.

you people lack basic logical skills

THANK YOU FRED.

I can't believe the fact that the "falling balls" still need to be pulled is going over everyone's head.

[Eussorus]

lol, balls.

[Nexus]

the string tensions cancel because it is a closed loop

fredulus you have no idea what you are talking about

I am stating that the balls in free air do not need to be "pulled downward" because they provide their own downward force due to gravity

[fred da kiko]

Magnet generators need to be cranked, and they produce electricity by resisting the spinning motion.  Really anything would be perpetual motion without friction.  However, what we are discussing here isn't perpetual motion, it is a system that would actually continue to accelerate and generate power because not everyone knows about fluid pressures and where the force resisting the system exists.

perpetual was in quotations because it's the closest we can get without removing friction. the machine wouldn't work because the valve would constantly have the pressure of the water on it keeping it closed, and the balls would need to exert a forgetload of force to get through, more than the ones above it can provide. the more water there is on top, the more pressure put on the valve. the only way to open it without loving up the ball would be with an electric force, defeating the purpose of a generator. even then it would be useless because the balls would pile up at the top of the water.