Science people: debunk this (OP image fixed)

[Fredulus]

the string tensions cancel because it is a closed loop

fredulus you have no idea what you are talking about

I am stating that the balls in free air do not need to be "pulled downward" because they provide their own downward force due to gravity

BOTH SIDES HAVE THEIR OWN DOWNWARD FORCE DUE TO GRAVITY YOU DIMWIT
THEREFORE NEITHER FALL, AS THE DOWNWARD FORCE OF GRAVITY BALANCES OUT ON EACH SIDE
SO NEITHER WOULD MOVE
UNTIL YOU ADD IN THE WATER/FLOATING BALLS, WHICH CREATES UPWARD FORCE
MEANING THE RIGHT SIDE HAS LESS DOWNWARD FORCE THAN THE LEFT, CREATING MOTION

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[Mr. Jelly]

Question, will the balls falling have any effect on what Nexus said?

If you guys want the real physics reason this wont work: pay attention

The reason the ball of air floats upward is because the water has a gradual pressure increase as it gets deeper.

Forcing a ball of air into water from the surface is hard enough.

The pressure of the water at the bottom makes it even more difficult.  The amount of work needed to force the ball into a pressurized liquid accounts for all the energy gained by the ball accelerating upward.

[dkamm65]

Let's go back to the beginning.

The balls floating in the water have to pick up the entire weight of the balls trailing behind.

This is false.

Ignore water pressure and assume this image did work. The balls floating up wouldn't have to pull the balls on the left downward because they are already under the force of gravity. The would naturally want to be fall anyway.

[Fredulus]

Ignore water pressure and assume this image did work. The balls floating up wouldn't have to pull the balls on the left downward because they are already under the force of gravity. The would naturally want to be fall anyway.

BOTH SIDES ARE UNDER THE FORCE OF GRAVITY

BOTH SIDES HAVE THEIR OWN DOWNWARD FORCE DUE TO GRAVITY YOU DIMWIT
THEREFORE NEITHER FALL, AS THE DOWNWARD FORCE OF GRAVITY BALANCES OUT ON EACH SIDE
SO NEITHER WOULD MOVE
UNTIL YOU ADD IN THE WATER/FLOATING BALLS, WHICH CREATES UPWARD FORCE
MEANING THE RIGHT SIDE HAS LESS DOWNWARD FORCE THAN THE LEFT, CREATING MOTION

[dkamm65]

BOTH SIDES HAVE THEIR OWN DOWNWARD FORCE DUE TO GRAVITY YOU DIMWIT
THEREFORE NEITHER FALL, AS THE DOWNWARD FORCE OF GRAVITY BALANCES OUT ON EACH SIDE
SO NEITHER WOULD MOVE
UNTIL YOU ADD IN THE WATER/FLOATING BALLS, WHICH CREATES UPWARD FORCE
MEANING THE RIGHT SIDE HAS LESS DOWNWARD FORCE THAN THE LEFT, CREATING MOTION

HEY handicap, YOU NEVER MENTIONED IF THE WATER WAS MISSING.

WITH THE WATER, THE BUOYANCY OF THE BALLS OVERPOWERS THE GRAVITY PULLING THEM DOWN, SO THE ONLY BALLS UNDER THE FORCE OF GRAVITY ARE THE ONES ON THE LEFT, PULLING THEM DOWN.

YOU ARE SO AMAZINGLY STUPID. MOTHER OF GOD.

[Nexus]

Fredulus I hope you are taking the AP exam because your score would be a nice boost to the curve for everyone else

Question, will the balls falling have any effect on what Nexus said?

Yea, the work needed to put the balls into the pressurized water is equal to the energy gained by the ball accelerating upward and then falling back down to the same position.  That's without considering friction, of course, which would slow it down more.

[Fredulus]

WITH THE WATER, THE BUOYANCY OF THE BALLS OVERPOWERS THE GRAVITY PULLING THEM DOWN, SO THE ONLY BALLS UNDER THE FORCE OF GRAVITY ARE THE ONES ON THE LEFT, PULLING THEM DOWN.

.............no, both sides are still under the force of gravity
you cant just turn off gravity

set up a string of balls around axles like in the picture. try to move the right side up without pulling the left side. you cant.

[dkamm65]

.............no, both sides are still under the force of gravity
you cant just turn off gravity

No stuff they're both under gravity.

THE BUOYANCY OF THE BALLS OVERPOWERS THE GRAVITY

[Fredulus]

No stuff they're both under gravity.

not quite what you said the first time, einstein

SO THE ONLY BALLS UNDER THE FORCE OF GRAVITY ARE THE ONES ON THE LEFT

[Nexus]

THE ONLY BALLS UNDER THE FORCE OF GRAVITY ARE THE ONES ON THE LEFT, PULLING THEM DOWN.

Well that is incorret, gravity is everywhere, it is just that the bouyancy is far greater.

Fredulus is correct in saying that the forces due to weight will cancel, but he is still a dumbass for saying that the balls on the left need to be pulled downward and are not falling.

[Mr. Jelly]

Man, everyone's arguing...


really puts the "troll" into troll logic, amiright?

[dkamm65]

not quite what you said the first time, einstein

You knew what I meant. The only ones being actively pulled down are on the left.

Well that is incorret, gravity is everywhere, it is just that the bouyancy is far greater.

Fredulus is correct in saying that the forces due to weight will cancel, but he is still a dumbass for saying that the balls on the left need to be pulled downward and are not falling.

Poor choice of words.

[Fredulus]

Well that is incorret, gravity is everywhere, it is just that the bouyancy is far greater.
Fredulus is correct in saying that the forces due to weight will cancel, but he is still a dumbass for saying that the balls on the left need to be pulled downward and are not falling.

okay mr AP prodigy

set up a system like the pic
and measure the force required to pull the string up on the right side

then set up a system with just the right side, none of the left balls
and measure the force required to pull the string up
youd find it to be less.

You knew what I meant. The only ones being actively pulled down are on the left.
Poor choice of words.

no, you're just a dumbass.

[Nexus]

Poor choice of words.

I think my choice of words is at least somewhat better than Fredulus' throwing insults in capslock

[Kalphiter]

Fredulus is correct in saying that the forces due to weight will cancel, but he is still a dumbass for saying that the balls on the left need to be pulled downward and are not falling.

You must pull something down if it's being pulled back up.

I think this is a mindforget because of the system's circular nature.