Author Topic: I have a NON-CANCEROUS tumor in the brain area of my body :D  (Read 25647 times)

Surgeons do work on commission.

Surgeons do work on commission.
i knew it, dammit.
it appears that not all work on commission, and that most work on a yearly salary with the option of going over their quota and receiving commission.

I was pro and cured game and made tumor non cancerous
Jacksaunt wins again

oh my god, really seventh? are you even reading my posts? you're calling me a murderer for suggesting a treatment that I believe works! I'm not even saying he should drop western treatments - he should keep doing those, ye\

Hell, more than that even, I'm being threatened by him constantly bashing me into the ground with evidence or lack thereof. again, if he had even read my posts, we aren't loving arguing about evidence! we've acknowledge the lack thereof and are discussing other things!


oh and homeopathic medicine: i used that phrase and thought it meant something else. watching the video and doing quick wikipedia lookups: are you loving KIDDING ME? wow, that stuff looks stupid. in fact, it appears that these remedies are FDA regulated as Over The Counter drugs? now, those regulations are looser than perscription ones, but still, surely the FDA is wrong on this one?
1. Homeopathic medicine is not an over the counter pharmaceutical, it is just sold in pharmacies. CVS is a pharmacy and sells coca cola and candy bars. Those aren't pharmaceuticals though.

2. I'm not threatening you, I'm saying you're endangering the lives of others by advocating for treatments that have been proven not to work. I like how you're referring to the treatments as having a lack of evidence. There's significant evidence that holistic medicine cannot help anything other than pain.

3. If you're wrong about the definition of what you're telling people to do, you shouldn't have said it in the first place.

4.
"Hell, more than that even, I'm being threatened by him constantly bashing me into the ground with evidence or lack thereof. again, if he had even read my posts, we aren't loving arguing about evidence! we've acknowledge the lack thereof and are discussing other things!"
You are not a doctor and this thread is not a clinical trial or a scientific study. From what I'm reading all you're doing is saying from a stance of ignorance that alternative medicine somehow enhances modern medicine efficacy which is a completely unsupported statement to make.

5.
I can't. I don't think that it's even been done.
Besides that, I'm not trying to provide proof, I'm providing a testimonial and making a friendly reccomendation to game about an option he might want to consider. I mean, it worked for me, I believe it'll work for him, is it not my duty as a friendly, caring human being to try to help him out?
If you genuinely believe that your own anecdotal experience can help Gamefandan, you are an idiot. Go read up on sample size, the placebo effect, and the scientific method and understand why you are being an idiot.

Also who loving cares if it worked for you? Gamefandan fears he has a brain tumor, not an ear infection. You can't treat cancer with Robitussin.

"Hey man, I heard you got shot in the chest. I once had an ear infection and ate some plant on the forest floor and it cleared up in a few days. Here have some!"
« Last Edit: July 20, 2012, 02:26:17 AM by SeventhSandwich »

Also if any of you want to know why Lugnut is saying I'm harassing him, I PM'ed him a link to Google Scholar and told him to find me 10 studies of herbal/homeopathic medicine successfully treating anything other than pain in a double blind, sham controlled environment. If this  doesn't sound like harassment to you, this should be a perfect testament to how much of an idiot he is.

Surgeons do work on commission.
Few do. After a quick google, most work salary.

i didn't mean studied in that sense, i was referring to clinical trials, tests, and all the stuff FDA needs to approve something like that.
I would say all the studying do via watching if the stuff works or not over so many years would equal way more studying than modern medicine, still.

are you implying that endorphins that the brain produces are active ingredients, and that some drugs do not react well with said active ingredient? i don't wanna take a drug that conflicts with an endorphin. that's like taking a drug that reacts adversely to my blood!
Endorphins are opiates. Heroin is an opiate. Endorphins are very chemically similar to heroin. I'd guess that heroin doesn't react very well with most treatments.

what? after one treatment? that's hardly enough time to try to get a reaction. i've read some of the trials and that was the main problem i saw.
One? How many people do you think were treated over 5,100 years of alternative medicine? I would say hundreds of millions of treatments proved it ineffective.

it obviously wasn't a situation where they 'needed' to perform surgery, as in, an emergency. i mean, that's not how i understood it. besides that, what difference does it make if they wanted to perform surgery, she decided not to, and then she went with the herbal method, and she never got the organ in question removed! surely this is a better option?
Doctors aren't always right 100% of the time. If she'd gotten a second opinion, she probably would have been prescribed something.

point is, if they do, they would want you to go with the surgery option, wouldn't they?
Not particularly. That's a federal crime.

are you implying eastern treatments kill you? because i'm pretty damn sure that's not true.
Not implying that they kill you, implying that they're useless and you'll die from not receiving proper treatment.

also, is there really much more to discuss, slick? the tumor is non-cancerous.
No, not really. We can end it, I guess. This'll be my last argumentative post.

I support Seventh on the homeopathy thing, everyone knows its bullstuff. Its not too crazy to argue that its a kind of manslaughter because it doesn't really work beyond placebo and making people think it does is negligent.

Belief means nothing. In New Zealand a child was taken from parents who thought their child should die instead of have an organ transplant due to their religious beliefs. That child has had the transplant and will live now. Different scenario, same principal. Belief is no match for fact in the medical word.


I support Seventh on the homeopathy thing, everyone knows its bullstuff. Its not too crazy to argue that its a kind of manslaughter because it doesn't really work beyond placebo and making people think it does is negligent.
The dilution of homeopathy is anywhere from 1 parts of medicine to 10^20-30 parts of water, which means it's like you took a grain of rice (representing the active ingredient) put it in a perfect sphere of water with a radius the distance of the center of the sun to the outermost orbit of pluto, mixed it until it was homogenous, then took a rice grain sized quantity of that water, and diluted it the same way 20 million times.

You can see why it doesn't work now, right?
« Last Edit: July 20, 2012, 02:41:42 AM by SeventhSandwich »

The dilution of homeopathy is anywhere from 1 parts of medicine to 10^20-30 parts of water, which means it's like you took a grain of rice (representing the active ingredient) put it in a perfect sphere of water with a radius the distance of the center of the sun to the outermost orbit of pluto, mixed it until it was homogenous, then took a rice grain sized quantity of that water, and diluted it the same way 20 million times.

You can see why it doesn't work now, right?
because the flavor of rice would overpower the refreshing nature of the water?

because the flavor of rice would overpower the refreshing nature of the water?
not at that dilution lol

i'm not going to try to counter this tonight. i'll just end up saying something stupid.

edit: i seem to have said something stupid in an attempt to explain my lack of counterarguments.

wow.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2012, 03:36:16 AM by Lugnut »

not at that dilution lol
i dunno, rice has a really bold flavor...


i dunno, rice has a really bold flavor...

You really missed his point and now you're just rambling lol.