Nearly 25,000 schoolteachers to go on strike in Chicago monday

[_Rave_]

Oh, we're talking about elementary school teachers.
I revise my point.

High school teachers and college lecture professors make doctors.

jesus christ kid

doctors aren't made by teachers.  those who have the ambition and passion to become a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc are the ones who do it of their own accord.  professors are the ones who give students the skills necessary to realize their goals.

a professor is quite different from "mr. douchebag, my 10th grade algebra teacher"

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[RedGajin]

history teachers do not make doctors no matter what grade you are in
slates argument is stupid

[Wafflajizzles]

What about the ability to read?
The ability to write?
The ability (rhyming) to type?

+1

Of course, gradeschool was loving boring and trying, but as much as you'd like to play it down, you'd be bounds behind the rest of the population if you didn't attend it. Everything they did there had a point, and probably helped you (maybe without you even knowing it) do the much more complex stuff you do today.

I'm only 16 man, and I admit this stuff is important.

[fred da kiko]

What about the ability to read?
The ability to write?
The ability (rhyming) to type?

I learned to read and write from my parents more than my teachers. I have runescape to thank for my typing skills.

[_Rave_]

yeah and btw pub schools are worthless when it comes to spelling, grammar, sentence fluidity, and general essay writing.

[Wafflajizzles]

jesus christ kid

doctors aren't made by teachers.  those who have the ambition and passion to become a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc are the ones who do it of their own accord.  professors are the ones who give students the skills necessary to realize their goals.

a professor is quite different from "mr. douchebag, my 10th grade algebra teacher"

*rams face in desk*

The general point he's trying to shove across is that without the skills and knowledge learned in all grades of school, there would be no doctors, or engineers, or architects, or insert generic important job here. Our education system works very well, but it's still far, far stufftier then education systems everywhere else in the world. To say that we could do the same or better with less and not more is total garbage.

[Wafflajizzles]

I learned to read and write from my parents more than my teachers. I have runescape to thank for my typing skills.

I can smell the bullstuff from this for miles

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[ultimamax]

I live in Chicago. I'm in high school. I have no school tommorow. This is EVERY SCHOOL in the chicago public school system. Not just grade school.

[_Rave_]

*rams face in desk*

The general point he's trying to shove across is that without the skills and knowledge learned in all grades of school, there would be no doctors, or engineers, or architects, or insert generic important job here.

while i understand your point, i still dont think teachers should be paid as much as most americans working corporate jobs that go 9-5 5 days a week all year.  teaching is a really easy job, there's no denying it.

Our education system works very well, but it's still far, far stufftier then education systems everywhere else in the world.

and i completely agree with this

[Wafflajizzles]

while i understand your point, i still dont think teachers should be paid as much as most americans working corporate jobs that go 9-5 5 days a week all year.  teaching is a really easy job, there's no denying it.

The main issue this time around is the removal of class caps- this effectively means that they can cram as many kids into a room as they feel like, as long as the door shuts behind them. Not only will this drop the standard of education, because, I mean come on, 30 kids is enough already, but 40 or 50? How in the love of forget does a teacher give enough attention and answer enough questions for 50 kids in 50 minutes of class time? Giving attention to every student in a class would mean only one minute per student- that stuff's bad. As a result, educational quality would also drop.

Despite the pay, you should see the state of CPS highscools. Some of the rooms look like utter stuff. As an education budget, teachers are given very limited funds, and there are quite a few who pay out of pocket for necessary supplies. Our Calculus teacher is paying for toolsets for us at his expense because there was no room in the school budget for a classroom set.

There isn't even enough money for enough books for stuff's sake. A lot of our classes we only work in-room because our teachers only have enough books for 30 kids.


Maybe it isn't as bad elsewhere (my suburban school was boss and we had chromebooks instead of normal books) but the chicago public school system is underfunded, and it is very, very apparent.

[Night Fox]

i hate how powerful teachers' unions have become
like jesus christ, they're teachers, not doctors.  they aren't supposed to choose their own salary

you realize
that, at this point, the safety and future of nearly the entire world depends on teachers

[_Rave_]

The main issue this time around is the removal of class caps- this effectively means that they can cram as many kids into a room as they feel like, as long as the door shuts behind them. Not only will this drop the standard of education, because, I mean come on, 30 kids is enough already, but 40 or 50? How in the love of forget does a teacher give enough attention and answer enough questions for 50 kids in 50 minutes of class time? Giving attention to every student in a class would mean only one minute per student- that stuff's bad. As a result, educational quality would also drop.

Despite the pay, you should see the state of CPS highscools. Some of the rooms look like utter stuff. As an education budget, teachers are given very limited funds, and there are quite a few who pay out of pocket for necessary supplies. Our Calculus teacher is paying for toolsets for us at his expense because there was no room in the school budget for a classroom set.

There isn't even enough money for enough books for stuff's sake. A lot of our classes we only work in-room because our teachers only have enough books for 30 kids.


Maybe it isn't as bad elsewhere (my suburban school was boss and we had chromebooks instead of normal books) but the chicago public school system is underfunded, and it is very, very apparent.

well tbh, i go to a catholic school full of wealthy white people and we have no trouble.

it's highly selective with incredibly strict rules, so they can put 40-45 kids in one classroom and nobody will forget around.  if you forget around, they force you to come after class for "clean up," which is physical labor in which you crawl on the floor picking up trash around the classroom, like pieces of paper, pens, pencils, etc.  if you are a repeat offender, you get detention for talking.  ask Jackbluejack or Rocknrollwill, they both go to my school as well.
I have no idea how to fix this, with the economy the way it is and the teachers being paid so excessively the school has very little budget left, and those in power of the budget within the school dont care because they're the ones being highly paid.  additionally, with our youthful population getting larger and larger, i think we are going to have to figure out ways to deal with larger classes.  i think the first thing that needs to be done is a comprehensive transition to e-books, completely drop the idea of paying book by book for students' schoolbooks.

[fred da kiko]

I can smell the bullstuff from this for miles

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Ok, call bullstuff when I tell you that you're wrong. Elementary school could be replaced with a week course on math and the alphabet song and a 5 year long episode of spongebob.

[Wafflajizzles]

well tbh, i go to a catholic school full of wealthy white people and we have no trouble.

it's highly selective with incredibly strict rules, so they can put 40-45 kids in one classroom and nobody will forget around.  if you forget around, they force you to come after class for "clean up," which is physical labor in which you crawl on the floor picking up trash around the classroom, like pieces of paper, pens, pencils, etc.  if you are a repeat offender, you get detention for talking.  ask Jackbluejack or Rocknrollwill, they both go to my school as well.
I have no idea how to fix this, with the economy the way it is and the teachers being paid so excessively the school has very little budget left, and those in power of the budget within the school dont care because they're the ones being highly paid.  additionally, with our youthful population getting larger and larger, i think we are going to have to figure out ways to deal with larger classes.  i think the first thing that needs to be done is a comprehensive transition to e-books, completely drop the idea of paying book by book for students' schoolbooks.

As for the goofing around and physical labor thingy, i'm very sure humiliating a student in that manner in front of a class has some sort of legal restriction.

Ebooks are a wonderful idea and I fully support the transition to electronic means of teaching and reading, but a blanket solution isn't really possible for most school districts. Unfortunately, as much as we like to ignore it, highschools and middle schools are absolutely filled to the brim with scumbags and starfishs who would sell their tax-payed for iPad or E-reader for a quick buck. Holding students to an "honor" system won't work- while i'm sure a huge deal of students wouldn't forget up and break the rules, the overall level of maturity for the american tween and highschool group is too low to give something as valuable as laptops and Ipads for personal use.

A more progressive way forward would be to gradually give students more freedom and technology as they demonstrated themselves capable and responsible of handling them. If someone shows that he isn't an starfish and won't just forget off 24/7 on his device, then throw him a bone and hand him one- otherwise, stick to books and pencils for the rest of the students.

[SeventhSandwich]

that doesn't matter, they taught me four things and the rest was filler. they might as well had a loving janitor watch after me while he mopped the floor for the rest of the time and it wouldn't have turned out differently.

The rest probably wasn't filler. It was probably important stuff like grammar and writing techniques that you blew off as unimportant.

Have fun writing an essay when you apply to college.