Alcohol Thread

[VincentTheGuy]

Like my grandparents say. The only people who die from alcohol are the people who don't drink it. Or use it responsibly.

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[dorkdotdan]

Read the edit, please.
Which isn't what I said, at all?  Oh boy, using a nonexistent implication to try and benefit your argument!  You certainly are a stupid little child, aren't you :)

lol, it doesn't even tell you how much it increases your risk. It could be 0.5% for all you know.
Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cardiovascular_disease
I. Alcohol improves blood lipid profile.
A. It increases HDL ("good") cholesterol.
B. It decreases LDL ("bad") cholesterol.
C. It improves cholesterol (both HDL and LDL) particle size[16]
II. Alcohol decreases thrombosis (blood clotting).
A. It reduces platelet aggregation.
B. It reduces fibrinogen (a blood clotter).
C. It increases fibrinolysis (the process by which clots dissolve).
III. Alcohol acts through additional ways.
A. It reduces coronary artery spasm in response to stress.
B. It increases coronary blood flow.
C. It reduces blood pressure.
D. It reduces blood insulin level.
E. It increases estrogen levels
out of all those positives there is one negative which only effects some drinkers

[HellHound]

lol, it doesn't even tell you how much it increases your risk. It could be 0.5% for all you know.
Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cardiovascular_disease
I. Alcohol improves blood lipid profile.
A. It increases HDL ("good") cholesterol.
B. It decreases LDL ("bad") cholesterol.
C. It improves cholesterol (both HDL and LDL) particle size[16]
II. Alcohol decreases thrombosis (blood clotting).
A. It reduces platelet aggregation.
B. It reduces fibrinogen (a blood clotter).
C. It increases fibrinolysis (the process by which clots dissolve).
III. Alcohol acts through additional ways.
A. It reduces coronary artery spasm in response to stress.
B. It increases coronary blood flow.
C. It reduces blood pressure.
D. It reduces blood insulin level.
E. It increases estrogen levels
out of all those positives there is one negative which only effects some drinkers

two negatives.
It increases estrogen levels.

[Lalam24]

lol, it doesn't even tell you how much it increases your risk. It could be 0.5% for all you know.
Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cardiovascular_disease
I. Alcohol improves blood lipid profile.
A. It increases HDL ("good") cholesterol.
B. It decreases LDL ("bad") cholesterol.
C. It improves cholesterol (both HDL and LDL) particle size[16]
II. Alcohol decreases thrombosis (blood clotting).
A. It reduces platelet aggregation.
B. It reduces fibrinogen (a blood clotter).
C. It increases fibrinolysis (the process by which clots dissolve).
III. Alcohol acts through additional ways.
A. It reduces coronary artery spasm in response to stress.
B. It increases coronary blood flow.
C. It reduces blood pressure.
D. It reduces blood insulin level.
E. It increases estrogen levels
out of all those positives there is one negative which only effects some drinkers

The benefits of a single subject != the contributions of the entire drug to the entire body.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage#Effects_of_alcohol_on_health

[dorkdotdan]

The benefits of a single subject != the contributions of the entire drug to the entire body.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage#Effects_of_alcohol_on_health

I'm talking about responsible drinking. All of the negatives shown there are caused by intoxication.

Also, there is no perfect food, You know. Fruits have lots of sugar in them, which can cause cavities and if you have high blood pressure, you could die if you ate enough apples. Bashing alcohol for not being perfect is a dumb idea.

[Lalam24]

I'm talking about responsible drinking. All of the negatives shown there are caused by intoxication.


Also, there is no perfect food, You know. Fruits have lots of sugar in them, which can cause cavities and if you have high blood pressure, you could die if you ate enough apples. Bashing alcohol for not being perfect is a dumb idea.

Fair enough, but that doesn't imply that it the beneficial statistic you're basing this off of isn't an incredibly minute factor.  Moderate/ "responsible" drinking can still lead to pancreatitis, diabetes, liver disease, cancer, etc.

We're aware of treatments for cavaties.  We do not have a sufficient "cure" for cancer.

Again, the disadvantages outweigh the benefits.  That is a fact, statistically speaking.

[dorkdotdan]

Fair enough, but that doesn't imply that it the beneficial statistic you're basing this off of isn't an incredibly minute factor.  Moderate/ "responsible" drinking can still lead to pancreatitis, diabetes, liver disease, cancer, etc.

We're aware of treatments for cavaties.  We do not have a sufficient "cure" for cancer.

Again, the disadvantages outweigh the benefits.  That is a fact, statistically speaking.

http://www.supportingevidence.com/Health/Life_expectancy_v_alcohol_consump_by_country.html
Take a look at japan.

[HellHound]

http://www.supportingevidence.com/Health/Life_expectancy_v_alcohol_consump_by_country.html
Take a look at japan.

Look at Luxembourg, they live longer than us but drink way more.

[Lalam24]

http://www.supportingevidence.com/Health/Life_expectancy_v_alcohol_consump_by_country.html
Take a look at japan.

"with larger amounts of alcohol related to slightly lower life expectancy."
Take a look at what you're posting.

[Dusty12]

Again, the disadvantages outweigh the benefits.  That is a fact, statistically speaking.

Wuzzat? Couldn't hear you over the sound of me pouring my wine cooler.

[Nickelob Ultra]

dan you're arguing the benefits of alcohol by going nit-picky and scraping the bottom of the barrel.  No one drinks alcohol for most of those specific reasons you listed, in fact the only reason I've really heard of people drinking alcohol for health is a glass of wine per day for older adults.

[Lalam24]

Wuzzat? Couldn't hear you over the sound of me pouring my wine cooler.

Ignorance isn't something to be proud of.

[Freek]

My Mom gave me a few Vodka shots before, they were really hot and awesome.

[HellHound]

"with larger amounts of alcohol related to slightly lower life expectancy."
Take a look at what you're posting.

Take a look at what you're posting.

[dorkdotdan]

"with larger amounts of alcohol related to slightly lower life expectancy."
Take a look at what you're posting.

Can you please stop combining responsible drinking and irresponsible drinking? it's crippling your argument.