Elementary school shooting. ~28 dead, 20 children, 6-7 teachers, 1 shooter

[TeslaCoil]

I disagree. But what causes violence in our society?

Lack of empathy, money, safety.

They are all solvable things.

Some people call it evil

Some people call it sin

I call it choice

You eliminate choice and the conscious mind, you fix violence.

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[Acerblock]

Yup.

My school was a couple of towns away, and I was under lockdown.

http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-police-responding-to-incident-in-newtown-20121214,0,3969911.story

It was MORE than Columbine.

Ryan Lazza, rot in loving HELL.

[Tylale]

Don't look at the comments for this unless you want to kill yourself and are looking for a reason.

[dorkdotdan]

I disagree. But what causes violence in our society?

This isn't violence. This is massacre, and the only time massacre happens is when one side is armed and one side isn't. When you ban firearms the only people who give them up are law abiding citizens who are now left defenseless.

[Thar]

Some people call it evil

Some people call it sin

I call it choice

You eliminate choice and the conscious mind, you fix violence.

People just don't get out of bed and CHOOSE to go shoot their neighbor. There has to be motives, reasons.

They certainly aren't born with the urge to kill people due to the nature of some "violence gene."

It obviously has to do with the environment. If you're raised in the dirty south in the 1950's where racism is everywhere, you're going to adopt those ideals. Likewise, if you're raised in a stimulating environment where cooperation and compassion are valued, that's how you will live your life.

We're raised in a materialistic society where competition is rewarded instead of cooperation. We live in a society where people have to fight for everyday necessities like education and money. We live in a society where people trample each other to death for 5% off sales on black Friday. Tell me, what part of this society doesn't brew violence? There is your problem.

This isn't violence. This is massacre, and the only time massacre happens is when one side is armed and one side isn't. When you ban firearms the only people who give them up are law abiding citizens who are now left defenseless.

I am not saying we should ban firearms and let everything work itself out. I'm saying we address the causes of violence (yes a massacre is violence?) and then we take away firearms.

[Harm94]

But what causes violence in our society?

Many factors such as clashing beliefs, like religion and politics. Greed - White people: "More land we want! wipe the tribes out that stand in our way because god said this was our land!". What the media says, seriously how many times are we going to see big bad national socialists kill jews our how muslims are going to attack isreal and the us on tv. Also how people are programed, like all those crazy veterans out on the street.

So what we need to do is create a more tolerant peaceful or somewhat happy society like say the Nordic countries where guns are allowed and people can get along. For we know right now the gunmen were probably sick religous extremists or mentally ill.

[Destroyer]

Wait I thought they already had the second suspect in custody like an hour ago? I heard on the news they arrested a man crawling around the perimeter of the school in a black shirt and camo pants.

Also, they took down his Facebook page.

[Bisjac]

Wait I thought they already had the second suspect in custody like an hour ago? I heard on the news they arrested a man crawling around the perimeter of the school in a black shirt and camo pants.

Also, they took down his Facebook page.

yeah and then i was hearing on the police feed that the second guy was hiding out in a church. and they claimed he was related.
though they suddenly stopped talking about him. (news hasnt yet mentioned it, this was the police themselves)

even if he wasnt related, thats still big news considering the town right now lol

its kinda odd

[Thar]

Many factors such as clashing beliefs, like religion and politics. Greed - White people: "More land we want! wipe the tribes out that stand in our way because god said this was our land!". What the media says, seriously how many times are we going to see big bad national socialists kill jews our how muslims are going to attack isreal and the us on tv. Also how people are programed, like all those crazy veterans out on the street.

Exactly

[dorkdotdan]

Exactly

You're an idiot if you think that we can detect crimes before they happen.

[TeslaCoil]

People just don't get out of bed and CHOOSE to go shoot their neighbor. There has to be motives, reasons.

Motive and reason is the cause for the choices we make, you are correct. But I'm saying regardless of environment. I had a friend who was raised in the most child friendly, and well guided environment. And years later in his adult hood, he attempted to assault and murder a woman for her purse. This is absolutely contradictory to the "environmental" cause.
There will not be a stage of removing firearms because we will eventually trust people to "do the right thing". I wish it was that easy and if it was I would be on board with you 100%.
We can only do so much with the crude justice systems we set up. If you honestly believe what you say is true then let the people possess firearms to preserve their own lives until through some miracle the "solution" makes itself clear.

Many factors such as clashing beliefs, like religion and politics. Greed - White people: "More land we want! wipe the tribes out that stand in our way because god said this was our land!".

You seem really bugged about this. I guess all white people want to wipe you out. Except me. Strange isn't it?

You're an idiot if you think that we can detect crimes before they happen.

Now now, lets not start calling names.

[Katadeus]

I believe the count is 27 at this point

[Momentum]

the president is close to crying in his speech right now.

[Bisjac]

forget obama lol

trying to play this up. what a kiss ass.

[Katadeus]

forget obama lol

trying to play this up. what a kiss ass.

Mah gawd, somebody's sad about a tragedy