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See, this is why we need to abolish the second amendment.

It is vague as forget.

Anything could be "arms", from a spoon to my arms to Tsar Bomba

See, this is why we need to abolish the second amendment.

It is vague as forget.

Anything could be "arms", from a spoon to my arms to Tsar Bomba
Except it is not vague because the Supreme Court has determined what it means.

And, even if laws are unconstitutional, they are still laws until they are challenged and overturned. So having a nuclear weapon would be against the law regardless of the second amendment, and it is unlikely that the Supreme Court would find that law unconstitutional, if the case ever even got to them.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2012, 10:00:29 PM by Doomonkey »

Except it is not vague because the Supreme Court has determined what it means.
And it means...?

Fight crime with spears we shall!

And it means...?
nuclear weapons are illegal for some countries to own, so it doesn't take a loving genius to know that the law doesn't include them
if you wanna know what they ruled, just look it up. it isn't our job to explain amendments to people who think they're being witty

Well, first off, grammatical conventions change over time, that sentence would be invalid in an essay written in 2012 because it's simply not grammatically correct anymore. Second, I'm not saying that the right has nothing to do with militias, but the fact that it's for militias does not change the fact that it is a constitutional right for the people to keep and bear arms.
The maintining of a well-regulated milita is the right of the people; that maintaining may not be infringed.

It actually is grammatically correct, however I would flip the middle sections. Arms does not have to refer to guns, either, but even if we assume it does, the Constitution does not specifically state that every citizen may have a gun.


Abortions don't kill people.

And it means...?
A firearm that isn't unreasonably stupid.

Anything beyond that is up to other government bodies. But I can assure you it isn't vague.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2012, 10:06:34 PM by Doomonkey »

Apple will take you to court if you try to make nuclear arms with their computers.


nuclear weapons are illegal for some countries to own, so it doesn't take a loving genius to know that the law doesn't include them
if you wanna know what they ruled, just look it up. it isn't our job to explain amendments to people who think they're being witty
1) I googled "Second Amendment Supreme Court" and it has not yielded any official definition of "arms" by the supreme court. As far as I can see, it gives people the right to have handguns. Handguns? What the hell is a handgun? Wikipedia says: "A handgun is a firearm designed to be handheld, in either one or both hands." I don't know about you, but most men could hold an RPG in both hands.

2) Nuclear weapons were an example. Of course I don't think I can have a nuclear weapon in my backyard. However, since the 2nd amendment itself is vague, it would not be unconstitutional to keep and bear arms. Arms being weapons. Nuclear weapons being, you know, weapons.

A firearm that isn't unreasonably stupid.

Anything beyond that is up to other government bodies. But I can assure you it isn't vague.
That's also an undefined term. And I'm looking at the 2nd amendment at this second. I can assure you, it is vague.

Abortions don't kill people.
Don't start this
don'tdon'tdon'tdon't

The government is fit to make laws to add on the expressed and implied powers of the government.

The constitution was created this way so later revisions could be made whenever they saw fit.


What are you getting at?

Is 10,000 gun homicides per year not an issue?