Opinion about gun control?

[Aces]

What I got from rewording, assuming that "the people" means the militia of a free state is that the militia is able to bear arms, right?

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[Thar]

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

Japan is one of the most restrictive on guns, and yet their culture and socioeconomic system is arranged so that people do not kill eachother hardly ever.

America's consumerist and stratified nation is what causes violences yes, but banning guns would also keep them out of the hands of your manicdepressive 17 year old who wants to shoot up his school. Would it keep them out of the hands of organized criminals and the occasional person who is so insane and manages to find one? Nope, probably not but it would also make it a hell of a lot harder for them to get them also.

I agree with all of you, banning guns will not solve our problem. We have to look at how our society operates and then we can ban guns with little to no negative consequences

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I've never thought of that before

[rockslide26]

Rockslide cracks the riddle.

Thank you c:

I've never thought of that before

Yeah, I didn't either before today, but I thought Thomas Jefferson would be a good place to start because I adore his philosophy

    Our country was born of the fires of rebellion, and if the spirit of rebellion is not kept alive then our government shall have nothing to fear. Governments are made up of people and should not be an omnipotent power. As Thomas Jefferson once said, "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."

     What he means in saying those words is that Government is an unnatural but necessary concept, and when left unchecked will turn and commit crimes against man and his liberty without anybody in a position to stop it. The Constitution was meant to chain up the government, to imprison it to prevent this. But when we give the government the means to take away rights of the people, it is like giving a prisoner a file with which to remove his chains. Now left free to itself, the government could commit crimes against liberty and nobody could be in a position to stop them.

I say keep all the rights of the people in place, and never take them away. Government is unnatural, and should be minimal at best, and to keep it that way the people should have means to rebel if necessary.

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[Thar]

Congratulation rockslide you've swayed my opinion. I did not take into account the fact that our weapons are a good defense against a tyrannical government. I still think, however, that there is something very wrong with our society and we have to correct it to see any real change in our crime rates

[Narkro555]

     Our country was born of the fires of rebellion, and if the spirit of rebellion is not kept alive then our government shall have nothing to fear. Governments are made up of people and should not be an omnipotent power. As Thomas Jefferson once said, "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."

     What he means in saying those words is that Government is an unnatural but necessary concept, and when left unchecked will turn and commit crimes against man and his liberty without anybody in a position to stop it. The Constitution was meant to chain up the government, to imprison it to prevent this. But when we give the government the means to take away rights of the people, it is like giving a prisoner a file with which to remove his chains. Now left free to itself, the government could commit crimes against liberty and nobody could be in a position to stop them.

I say keep all the rights of the people in place, and never take them away. Government is unnatural, and should be minimal at best, and to keep it that way the people should have means to rebel if necessary.

You sound suspiciously like a paranoid teabagger. Our government happens to be made up of everyday people, and not a furious tyrant on another continent. This doesn't really apply any more.

[TheKhoz]

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You sound like a libertarian, are you one?

[Thar]

You sound suspiciously like a paranoid teabagger. Our government happens to be made up of everyday people, and not a furious tyrant on another continent. This doesn't really apply any more.

The government is comprised of everyday people who sell their power to the corporations who are in it for their own wellbeing. You're rights don't mean stuff to the government.

[Kalphiter]

If our weapons are such a great defense against a tyrannical government, where were the weapons in the past 30 years?

It is a tyranny right now, but where are our guns that were praised for coming to action in time of tyranny?

The government is comprised of everyday people who sell their power to the corporations who are in it for their own wellbeing. You're rights don't mean stuff to the government.

Yep, not sure where the guns were on that one.

[Dodger]

America's consumerist and stratified nation is what causes violences yes, but banning guns would also keep them out of the hands of your manicdepressive 17 year old who wants to shoot up his school. Would it keep them out of the hands of organized criminals and the occasional person who is so insane and manages to find one? Nope, probably not but it would also make it a hell of a lot harder for them to get them also.

The illegal gun market would expand dramatically. Japan is so successful with low crime rates because of the group based social mindset of their culture, the very small amount of immigration and very homogeneous ethnic makeup. Not to mention that they have very successful trade and very advanced education rates. I'm very certain a 17 year old could easily get a gun as he could get almost any other illegal drug if it were outlawed in a manner of a few years, when successful black market rings either formed domestically or influenced by foreign cartels form effective smuggling circles.

[.Atlas]

Look at China. Banned guns. Kids just get stabbed instead. Drugs are illegal. People still do them. If someone wants a gun bad enough, they will get one and then the general populace will be royally forgeted.

Gun's should never be illegal.

[rockslide26]

You sound suspiciously like a paranoid teabagger. Our government happens to be made up of everyday people, and not a furious tyrant on another continent. This doesn't really apply any more.

Again, another quote from the guy who literally penned the concepts of our government, "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

You sound like a libertarian, are you one?

Yes, although I don't tell many people.

[Thar]

If our weapons are such a great defense against a tyrannical government, where were the weapons in the past 30 years?

It is a tyranny right now, but where are our guns that were praised for coming to action in time of tyranny?
Yep, not sure where the guns were on that one.

The government hasn't been overthrown because people still believe in the american democratic system as it stands.

You ask anyone, and they'll rely on some rich candidate to solve all their problems as if it would solve anything. To be against american democracy is a social taboo and you are usually seen as loving crazy.

The illegal gun market would expand dramatically. Japan is so successful with low crime rates because of the group based social mindset of their culture, the very small amount of immigration and very homogeneous ethnic makeup. Not to mention that they have very successful trade and very advanced education rates. I'm very certain a 17 year old could easily get a gun as he could get almost any other illegal drug if it were outlawed in a manner of a few years, when successful black market rings either formed domestically or influenced by foreign cartels form effective smuggling circles.

This is true, but there are also other nations much like the United States (the UK for example) that are much less violent than us.

[Aces]

Look at China. Banned guns. Kids just get stabbed instead. Drugs are illegal. People still do them. If someone wants a gun bad enough, they will get one and then the general populace will be royally forgeted.

Gun's should never be illegal.

Kids get stabbed because killers always have a way to kill.
Drugs being legal doesn't change that people who do drugs will do them.

[Thar]

Look at China. Banned guns. Kids just get stabbed instead. Drugs are illegal. People still do them. If someone wants a gun bad enough, they will get one and then the general populace will be royally forgeted.

Gun's should never be illegal.

China has a billion people in subsaharan poverty and have a few wealthy elitist ruling over the vast workers below them with a totalitarian fist

[Harm94]

In California they banned the .50 calibre and most like a 20mm projectile would be illegal too, but the 20mm is for destroying ancient early world war 2 tanks and light armored vehicles. Also open carry was banned and its impossible to get a concealed carry permit. Police corruption and harassment is common here so if a cop sees you with an AR15 he will "Fully automatic gun! CONFISCATE".

The catridge you see in the middle is fired out of the ar15.

It does not blow up cars, it does not go at super sonic velocities, it is good for small game game like rabbits and birds, but can kill a man just like the .22.