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Should Ephialtes' adminship be taken away?

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Author Topic: 2nd petition to revoke Ephialtes' adminship  (Read 48695 times)

I would laugh incredibly hard if this happened.

Pm badspot and ask him if he would be so kind to do that.

Pm badspot and ask him if he would be so kind to do that.
if someone says "it would be cool if badspot posts x" and then badspot really posts x, it ruins the joke

noedit: and the actual meaning of x

First one; the one he locked. Second one; a revival of the first one. Third one; a recreation of the first two. You're right, they weren't posted at the same time, but they were essentially the same topic. So, yes, while you were more correct on the recollection, you made no point to argue besides "my recollection was more accurate." Grats on the better memory of unimportant drama events.
There are two reasons I remember the details accurately: I was directly involved and I value justice, unlike you do. You did not take the extra step to find out more information and repair your inaccurate recollection because you are not the kind of person that cares about facts.

These are the topics that were created at the same time from my post. They were all created within 5 minutes of eachother, so Ephi locked two and left one as the "main" topic. Aside from leaving out two topics that were duplicates of the first, I don't see where I was wrong.
I guess locking 2/3 was fair, but what you didn't mention is the complete removal of 2 topics and the locking of 3 before they could reach maturity. The most important part of the situation is exactly the part you forgeted up.

Well first off that's a purely subjective idea. Second, no it's not. He's trying to conduct business in that thread. Go walk into a local business establishment and get the entire place to brawl. If you don't get kicked out, massive props to you. I'll tell you you're right. Actually, you'd probably be banned for life, so Ephialtes is doing you a favor.
If you replaced both "he" and "Ephialtes" with "Kalphiter", your argument is identical. Going on a public forum and criticizing something is not the same thing as visiting its office and throwing a brawl. Consider his actual website the "office". I have to deal with stuff in my thread whereas Ephialtes can just wish it away. From what I got out of that, Ephialtes is OK to delete my posts because he has the power, just like he has the power to kick anyone out of his office; that doesn't mean it's right. Great job, way to prove you lack morality.

Well, first off the fallacy. You're directly attacking me, instead of my argument. You're saying I'm uniformed, I'm ignorant, and I'm bad at research. It's a fallacy because that's irrelevant to the quality of my argument. Second, your post about the lag issue was a stuffpost. If you'd said, "I'm getting lag problems on XXX's server on NY0Y, do your logs reflect this?" instead of saying "Uh oh, looks like NY0X is lagging out!" or whatever you said, the post would not have been deleted. Again, I can't blame you for not being able to tell the difference but trust me, there is one. Maybe if you look up word connotations you may be able to understand a little.
Insulting as a reason for a low-quality, incorrect or invalid argument by stating precisely a possible cause is an OK supplement to an argument. Accusing someone of making a fallacy by taking only the insult away and by ignoring what that someone said as his actual counterargument is a fallacy within itself.

There's really no reason to delete something like that because the point is still made; the point obviously hit home because the issue went unrecorded and its silencing went ordered. It's the same thing but with a little bit of sarcasm in the same style of Lub's posts on my thread.

They're all stuffposts.
No, they're not. Those threads weren't stuff posts, yet they were silenced. Many more examples of that.

Here's a request Ephialtes is unlikely to fulfill: since posts are moved and never deleted, why don't we see almost every post Ephialtes has ever deleted?

im pretty sure badspot is well aware of all the evil corrupted hiding of things ephi has done.


so that is pretty much that lol

There are two reasons I remember the details accurately: I was directly involved and I value justice, unlike you do. You did not take the extra step to find out more information and repair your inaccurate recollection because you are not the kind of person that cares about facts.
Well that's just slander. I do care about facts, I just knew that even if you pressed on my recollection I could still have the upper hand. The fact of the matter remains that Ephialtes locked a topic and two subsequent recreations of that topic, then upon seeing the community reaction allowed one topic to continue. To bring this back to the original point: this does not qualify as losing his stuff.

I guess locking 2/3 was fair, but what you didn't mention is the complete removal of 2 topics and the locking of 3 before they could reach maturity. The most important part of the situation is exactly the part you forgeted up.
Your posts were off the deep end, seriously. The two topics of yours he deleted were straight up smearing him. Flaming is a bannable offense on this forum, even if it is "justified," despite the fact that it's really not because you are the one that was in the wrong.

If you replaced both "he" and "Ephialtes" with "Kalphiter", your argument is identical. Going on a public forum and criticizing something is not the same thing as visiting its office and throwing a brawl. Consider his actual website the "office". I have to deal with stuff in my thread whereas Ephialtes can just wish it away. From what I got out of that, Ephialtes is OK to delete my posts because he has the power, just like he has the power to kick anyone out of his office; that doesn't mean it's right. Great job, way to prove you lack morality.
Yes. The argument is identical. I never said Ephialtes wasn't using his admin powers to his benefit, I said he never lost his stuff. He was using his admin powers to benefit, but that doesn't matter for two reasons. The first being that the powers are given to him unconditionally. Badspot never gave him a rule set to follow, just an implied one. Ephialtes is not infringing upon any regulations of his power by doing this. The second is that even if you feel it is morally wrong you have to suck it up and deal with it. You simply cannot have him removed from power. It cannot happen. I'm sorry. It can't. Try to look at this from a neutral stance for one moment. Not only has Ephialtes been a moderator for a long time now, but he is the sole proprieter of the single largest mod for Blockland. Not only this, but literally nearly the entire Blockland add-on system, which is the largest system this game has, nearly depends on RTB. It doesn't only make sense for Ephialtes to be admin, he's got Badspot over a loving barrel. But as far as "Going on a public forum and criticizing something is not the same thing as visiting its office and throwing a brawl" goes, you're not simply criticizing. This I've repeated again and again. You're stuffposting. Your posts are worded in a way that will cause an argument. He's allowing you in his establishment (his thread), he's allowing you to talk (post), and the only time he kicks you out is when you say things that will start an argument. This seriously seems like a very, very fair compromise. If you don't want your comments removed, phrase them in a way that won't start an argument. They will not be removed.

Insulting as a reason for a low-quality, incorrect or invalid argument by stating precisely a possible cause is an OK supplement to an argument. Accusing someone of making a fallacy by taking only the insult away and by ignoring what that someone said as his actual counterargument is a fallacy within itself.
Arguments should never be made against the person you are arguing against, but against their argument. Telling them they are wrong does not improve your argument. Telling them they're uniformed doesn't either. It's really just irrelevant. It shows an immature academic voice and is telltale of a bad argument. I'm not saying your argument is bad, I'm just informing you that doing that isn't something you should do.

There's really no reason to delete something like that because the point is still made; the point obviously hit home because the issue went unrecorded and its silencing went ordered. It's the same thing but with a little bit of sarcasm in the same style of Lub's posts on my thread.
The fact that your post was made for the intent to "hit home" literally proves my point. Previously you were arguing that your statement was simple criticism, but now you've revealed that there was an intended insult inlaid with your criticism. This makes it a stuffpost.

No, they're not. Those threads weren't stuff posts, yet they were silenced. Many more examples of that.
Every single relevant post (not topic) deleted by Ephialtes was a stuffpost. Every single relevant topic that was deleted by Ephialtes was slander. The first three locked topics were arguably locked for no reason, and that Ephialtes used his power to his benefit by locking them. This isn't misuse of his power, though. It's simply use. As I stated before, it is impossible to use his powers in the wrong way because there is no wrong way to use his powers.


I know this is offtopic but how long does it take you guys to type such posts?

I know this is offtopic but how long does it take you guys to type such posts?
Five minutes or so. It's really just a rant, I don't do research during a post usually so it's all off the top of my head.

why is Ephialtes being a richard in Jeep's topic?


why is Ephialtes being a richard in Jeep's topic?


ok this I have to agree with.

Lol, even though it's the same thing, it's still inferior to RTB

As I stated before, it is impossible to use his powers in the wrong way because there is no wrong way to use his powers.


Damnit, misclicked, i actually meant to say:
What? I must disagree on that point.

Don't get me wrong, i am not on Kalph's side or Ephi's, but really, there are wrong ways to use his power and i really think that some of the latest actions could be described as such.

I just wish things could be all clear and both sides would agree to perhaps just not post things related to each other's service.
Because both sides do it.
Both sides get angry and both sides are using that anger in posts/actions.
But it seems like we are currently far away from such a thing.

What? I must disagree on that point.
There are morally wrong ways to use his power, but morals are unarguable grounds. In reality they're a construct of human society and hold no weight whatsoever. I agree, I think it was morally wrong for him to block topics attacking himself, but it was not an incorrect usage of his power to do so. Therefor, it was not a misuse.