I think every brony should listen to this radio broadcast

[TheChaosCarrier]

Not even going to bother listening to this or reading some articles.
I don't even give a stuff about the fandom anymore, lol. I've pretty much phased out of it to the point where I just don't consider myself a brony anymore. I've just stopped watching the show entirely.
The only reason(s) I even post in the MLP thread is for stupid funny stuff, or to admire artwork.

That's really the only connection I will ever have with the fandom now, the artwork. I love some of the high-quality art some people make these days. Even an anti-brony has to admit that some of the SFW art out there is just astounding and well-made.

Quality >>>>>>>>> Content

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[Tomcat]

Yes I did? He was a male, until his circumcision went wrong and destroyed his snake, so he was raised as a female. However, he identified as male regardless. This can mean two things:
1. His identity was truly male because he was born that way.
2. He was affected by something that happened by him in his female state and this made him identify as a male.

While the former is more likely, it's not conclusive evidence.

He had problems from the start friend.

[Tømpson]

The moral of the story is that if you are made into a female biologically at birth then you are still mentally a male. Therefor you didn't become male by society you where male when you where born and that's how you think.

[YourBuddyBill]

This radio broadcast is bullstuff. I'm pretty sure that either A) this was staged or B) this was edited to remove the less extreme/special interest answers and the actual percentage of people who responded this way is MUCH lower than it was made out to be.
Now, many of the people that I deal with both on these forums and in day to day life hate on bronies just because it's "cool" to hate. They don't want to know better. They don't want to be educated, they don't want the whole truth and nothing but the truth, they want any excuse they can get to hate.
I pity them all. They must have deep personal problems to act this way.

I'm pretty sure the actual percentage of cloppers among bronies is much lower, the same as it is with other fandoms. Because this particular fandom is so large, the cloppers stand out more. There are G-rated brony forums out there, forums that aren't just for five-year-olds. This is obviously not one of them.

Now, for those who complain about pony avatars and pony usernames, I'll have you know I see 500% more Assassin's Creed usernames every day, but you don't hear anyone whining about that. This ties into my point that you hate because you want to hate, because it's "cool", because it makes you feel better about yourself. You're not just "tired of seeing it" unless you're going to bitch about seeing Assassin's Creed usernames. I have Assassin's Creed "shoved down my throat" so often it's not even funny, but I don't hate it for that.

[Daedalus]

regardless of if it's staged, or even too extreme, mlp is still a loving stupid and low-quality show and I love all the people justifying it by saying that "oh well they're just focusing on the stuffty side of the fandom"

edit: and that's not to say these guys aren't starfishs, but my point still stands

[YourBuddyBill]

regardless of if it's staged, or even too extreme, mlp is still a loving stupid and low-quality show and I love all the people justifying it by saying that "oh well they're just focusing on the stuffty side of the fandom"

edit: and that's not to say these guys aren't starfishs, but my point still stands

I disagree.
Whenever I say that, I start talking different. Don't ask me why. I can trigger it anytime just by saying or typing "I disagree".
I personally can appreciate an equine animation on the virtues of friendship, caring, and making the world a better place. That's what it's all about, isn't it? Disregard the outside, the physical form. It tells you nothing of what is on the inside. And on the inside, it's about making the world a better place. About learning, about acting on what you have learned. Some have claimed that friendship is too childish a subject, but as I look at the people around me, I realize that they could stand to learn a few things on friendship themselves, and I'm surrounded by late teens. They're so often rude and violent, full of hate and spite. It must be awful living that way.
Now, if you could particularly elaborate on why you feel it is "stupid" and "low quality" I might be able to address your specific concerns and provide reasoning where you see none.

[Tomcat]

I disagree.
Whenever I say that, I start talking different. Don't ask me why. I can trigger it anytime just by saying or typing "I disagree".
I personally can appreciate an equine animation on the virtues of friendship, caring, and making the world a better place. That's what it's all about, isn't it? Disregard the outside, the physical form. It tells you nothing of what is on the inside. And on the inside, it's about making the world a better place. About learning, about acting on what you have learned. Some have claimed that friendship is too childish a subject, but as I look at the people around me, I realize that they could stand to learn a few things on friendship themselves, and I'm surrounded by late teens. They're so often rude and violent, full of hate and spite. It must be awful living that way.
Now, if you could particularly elaborate on why you feel it is "stupid" and "low quality" I might be able to address your specific concerns and provide reasoning where you see none.

bahahaha.
how, in anyway, does MLP promote peace?

[Fredulus]

this was obv not staged
and of course they left out the less extreme answers
it's a radio show, they're supposed to ENTERTAIN, not provide an accurate view of the brony fandom

jesus christ people

[YourBuddyBill]

bahahaha.
how, in anyway, does MLP promote peace?

It's obvious you haven't ever seen anywhere near enough of the show to make an educated judgement, so I'll give you an example or two:
One of the main characters (Fluttershy) is known for kindness. When the characters are faced with an angry manticore, some attempt combat, until Fluttershy just walks up and pulls the thorn out of it's paw. The creature was in pain and this pain was driving it into a fury.
On a more person-to-person level, she is soft-spoken and reserved. She doesn't sling insults every which way (like some people I know do) and she does her best to make everyone happy.

Need I say more?

this was obv not staged
and of course they left out the less extreme answers
it's a radio show, they're supposed to ENTERTAIN, not provide an accurate view of the brony fandom

jesus christ people

By "staged" I meant they selected their responders ahead of time or something to that effect. My apologies for the miscommunication.

[Extrude]

It's obvious you haven't ever seen anywhere near enough of the show to make an educated judgement, so I'll give you an example or two:
One of the main characters (Fluttershy) is known for kindness. When the characters are faced with an angry manticore, some attempt combat, until Fluttershy just walks up and pulls the thorn out of it's paw. The creature was in pain and this pain was driving it into a fury.
On a more person-to-person level, she is soft-spoken and reserved. She doesn't sling insults every which way (like some people I know do) and she does her best to make everyone happy.

Need I say more?

give a show about ponies a chance, it's really worth it!! it teaches lessons about friendship and kindness

[Fredulus]

^sounds like your average kids show to me

real life isn't like that sorry bro.

[YourBuddyBill]

give a show about ponies a chance, it's really worth it!! it teaches lessons about friendship and kindness

After some deliberation I have determined that this is indeed sarcasm and mockery, which is entirely unnecessary.

^sounds like your average kids show to me

real life isn't like that sorry bro.

It would help my explaination if I wasn't busy working on other things as well. I have left some things out.
This show also hides various pop-culture references throughout, such as a more obvious reference to "Chocolate Rain" in a prominent two-parter, and enough obscure references that even I don't get them all. This is part of it's wider demographic appeal. So too is the fact that it actually has well-thought-out plotlines (yes, I realize that is an opinion), and that it represents a certain somewhat idealistic society.
I might also add that it was designed to entertain not only young children, but their PARENTS as well. I don't see the problem if it also entertains others in-between the age ranges.

Also, part of my point is that if people actually took to heart the lessons of the show, it COULD be like real life. But no, humanity runs full of corruption. This show restores my faith in humanity by reminding me that there really are people out there who are kind, caring friends. Such people are going to save humanity if at all possible.

[Daedalus]

Now, if you could particularly elaborate on why you feel it is "stupid" and "low quality" I might be able to address your specific concerns and provide reasoning where you see none.

okay, let's say for the sake of argument that this show actually did teach these values. I have two contentions as to why it's still loving stupid:
1. why would you need to watch it to understand the meaning of friendship? if you're above the age of nine and aren't mentally impaired, you shouldn't need candy-colored horses to yell it at you.
2. why couldn't you watch a show that's not totally ass-backwards that still teaches the same values? If you haven't gathered, there exists a world outside children's entertainment, that talks about actual useful values and morals. it's called being sophisticated. and I know that sounds not only elitist but also arrogant. that's not what I'm trying to communicate - what I'm trying to communicate is that it's important to burst out of the bubble of childhood. that's what maturity boils down to, and the interviewees in the video obviously haven't attained that yet.

I'm fifteen and I'm beyond a strong proponent of making the world a better place. I don't need a cartoon designed for five year olds to teach it to me. why do you think that is?

I might also add that it was designed to entertain not only young children, but their PARENTS as well. I don't see the problem if it also entertains others in-between the age ranges.

no no on NO NO NON ON ON. it was designed so parents COULD watch it with their children. it was not designed to entertain older audiences specifically.

[YourBuddyBill]

okay, let's say for the sake of argument that this show actually did teach these values. I have two contentions as to why it's still loving stupid:
1. why would you need to watch it to understand the meaning of friendship? if you're above the age of nine and aren't mentally impaired, you shouldn't need candy-colored horses to yell it at you.

People are ridiculous. I know a teen who recently became a brony, and suddenly he's much kinder and more understanding. He was a jackass before, and he just didn't get it. I realize that you are quite capable of swift social learning, but others of us are not so lucky. I personally still struggle in many social situations in my life. You'd think the lessons posed herein would be common sense, but as many, many people around us prove, common sense is not as common as we wish it were.

2. why couldn't you watch a show that's not totally ass-backwards that still teaches the same values? If you haven't gathered, there exists a world outside children's entertainment, that talks about actual useful values and morals. it's called being sophisticated. and I know that sounds not only elitist but also arrogant. that's not what I'm trying to communicate - what I'm trying to communicate is that it's important to burst out of the bubble of childhood. that's what maturity boils down to, and the interviewees in the video obviously haven't attained that yet.

Perhaps the longing for that innocence of childhood is part of what makes the show so appealing. Yes, I have gathered, and I have participated in the sophisticated world. But many times it is made needlessly complicated by ridiculous actions by ridiculous people, and I think that a children's show presents things in a level of simplicity that is comprehendable to the average human. Granted, it may be slightly less useful in unusual circumstances, but that's the tradeoff for a wider understanding.
I've found that there are also many people who refuse to grow up. I know parents who act like whiny, bratty toddlers. I know of politicians who demand to have everything their way or nothing will happen at all. If one refuses to grow up and become a part of sophisticated society, a children's show may be the best way to appeal to their sensibilities (assuming they have any; sadly their refusal to comprehend it as anything but a "stupid kids show", a belief ingrained into them by society, makes more haters than anything else.)

I'm fifteen and I'm beyond a strong proponent of making the world a better place. I don't need a cartoon designed for five year olds to teach it to me. why do you think that is?no no on NO NO NON ON ON. it was designed so parents COULD watch it with their children. it was not designed to entertain older audiences specifically.

I'm not saying you do. I'm saying some people do. I'm perfectly fine if it's not your thing, but what you must understand is that it is a thing for others.

[Daedalus]

I know a teen who recently became a brony, and suddenly he's much kinder and more understanding. He was a jackass before, and he just didn't get it. I realize that you are quite capable of swift social learning, but others of us are not so lucky.

then he's broken. that's actually a problem.

Perhaps the longing for that innocence of childhood is part of what makes the show so appealing. Yes, I have gathered, and I have participated in the sophisticated world. But many times it is made needlessly complicated by ridiculous actions by ridiculous people, and I think that a children's show presents things in a level of simplicity that is comprehendable to the average human.

Spongebob Squarepants is an A-grade example of why you're wrong.

I'm not saying you do. I'm saying some people do. I'm perfectly fine if it's not your thing, but what you must understand is that it is a thing for others.

No, what I'm saying is that it wasn't designed for adults. People like to throw that argument around.