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No, it's because he nonsensically hates "government" and wants everything it funds to be defunded.

Besides the military, they could use another 50 billion a year.

Military is a terrible investment as well, seeing as how our closest competitor is china with 1/6 of our spending. Why is everyone so reluctant to ease our grip on the military?

Are you serious? Gorillas have been known to use tools and show emotions, and they're on our planet. There is other intelligent life in space, not just here.
What? I think you need a lesson in evolution. Humans and apes didn't both concurrently appear due to chance.

The likelyhood that life is elsewhere in the universe that evolved completely separately  from us is extremely high due to the enormity of the universe and how many planets could possibly support life.

The likelyhood that life is elsewhere in the universe that evolved completely separately  from us is extremely high due to the enormity of the universe and how many planets could possibly support life.
Yes, but basic life is worlds away in complexity from intelligent life. It's unlikely that of the other places where life has formed the necessary evolutionary changes underwent crafting beings as complex as on earth.

Human beings are not very different from unintelligent beings, our DNA is only a 2% difference from apes. If that's all it takes to be intelligent then I suppose there should be a lot of intelligent species out there. And complexity is a matter of resources, if the atmosphere of the planet has oxygen, more complex beings evolve very rapidly. And It doesn't matter anyways, because finding non intelligent life on other planets would be ground breaking as well.
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Apes are already partially evolved on all of our intellectual barriers. They can communicate using rudimentary language, understand the concept of currency, express emotion, and learn very fast. If we found apes on any other planet I would consider that intelligent life. However, the difference between the most basic possible microorganism and an ape is massive. The human brain alone is an absolutely unfathomably complex existence. Evolving the correct sequence of genes to create even a basic brain is an almost impossible task.

Evolving the correct sequence of genes to create even a basic brain is an almost impossible task.

Humans did it.

Human Supremacy.

The fact that humans exist is pure chance. some people believe that one day a bunch of proteins and molecules just starting hitting each other and then bam DNA

eukaryotic cells evolved basic brains in 2 billion years, the universe is 13.75 billion years old.

eukaryotic cells evolved basic brains in 2 billion years, the universe is 13.75 billion years old.
Yeah, just because they did it in 1/7th the amount of time the universe existed for didn't mean it was a nearly impossible task. I don't see your point at all.

You assume it was very hard, yet it happened so quickly on earth, why is that?

You assume it was very hard, yet it happened so quickly on earth, why is that?
Well it isn't really all that quickly, 2 billion years is still an immense amount of time. I'm not assuming it was really hard, it was really hard. All of evolution is entirely to chance, so the chance that the proper changes are made to make multicellular organisms that start developing individual organs are infinitesimal. My point is exactly that it's so unbelievable, intelligent life is incredibly difficult to make and it's mind blowing that it could have happened in 2 billion years here. It's absolutely incredible. Against-all-odds mind-blowingly incredible. That's exactly the reason that it's so unlikely to exist elsewhere. The chances of it happening twice in one universe is more than improbable, hence why it's a major proponent of the multiverse theory. If an infinite number of universes exist, that increases the odds of intelligent life forming in one of them by a whole lot.

Here's a Stephen Hawking quote, from http://www.hawking.org.uk/life-in-the-universe.html:
Quote from: Stephen Hawking
One possibility is that the formation of something like DNA, which could reproduce itself, is extremely unlikely. However, in a universe with a very large, or infinite, number of stars, one would expect it to occur in a few stellar systems, but they would be very widely separated. The fact that life happened to occur on Earth, is not however surprising or unlikely. It is just an application of the Weak Anthropic Principle: if life had appeared instead on another planet, we would be asking why it had occurred there.

Actually, wow. A lot of things on that page are exactly what I was saying. You should read it.

Here's another good quote.
Quote from: Stephen Hawking
Maybe the probability of life spontaneously appearing is so low, that Earth is the only planet in the galaxy, or in the observable universe, in which it happened. Another possibility is that there was a reasonable probability of forming self reproducing systems, like cells, but that most of these forms of life did not evolve intelligence. We are used to thinking of intelligent life, as an inevitable consequence of evolution. But the Anthropic Principle should warn us to be wary of such arguments. It is more likely that evolution is a random process, with intelligence as only one of a large number of possible outcomes. It is not clear that intelligence has any long-term survival value. Bacteria, and other single cell organisms, will live on, if all other life on Earth is wiped out by our actions. There is support for the view that intelligence, was an unlikely development for life on Earth, from the chronology of evolution. It took a very long time, two and a half billion years, to go from single cells to multi-cell beings, which are a necessary precursor to intelligence. This is a good fraction of the total time available, before the Sun blows up. So it would be consistent with the hypothesis, that the probability for life to develop intelligence, is low. In this case, we might expect to find many other life forms in the galaxy, but we are unlikely to find intelligent life.
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I don't see how that supports your argument, if anything it reinforces mine.

we already went to the moon anyways, what else is there to do
Our planet will run out of resources, so inorder to avoid going back to the stone age or wiped out in a new ice age/hitting the sun we will need to leave and expand. One day the various scattered human colonies will slowly evovle and adapt and one day people a different species then what we are.

Our planet will run out of resources, so inorder to avoid going back to the stone age or wiped out in a new ice age/hitting the sun we will need to leave and expand. One day the various scattered human colonies will slowly evovle and adapt and one day people a different species then what we are.
I would love to believe that our race will be able to survive that long but sadly, I do not. Maybe we'll eventually evolve into beings composed of pure energy or probably we'll destroy ourselves in an ultimately petty dispute. It's pretty sad that we have to consider such possibilities if you think about it.