I never said he should've gottten away with it, if you read the OP, I said he should've warned him first to stop or kick him. Then if he does it again, then he can get banned. Just banning him once without any warning, espically since it's a perma, is not good administering in my eyes.
I read the OP. I didn't just glance at it and then start hammering away.
"If you read my post", you'd have noticed how I mentioned that Furdle could have kicked Neymar. In doing so, however, he runs the risk that Neymar would simply return, repeat in his advertising, complain, or become a nuisance.
Neymar joined Furdle's server and in a single moment went straight to asking people to join someone Else's server.
Neymar did not join Furdle's server because he wanted to play. He joined because he wanted to advertise.
Warning Neymar wouldn't have had an effect. Even if Neymar has is warned not to advertise again, he has already done so, and others can see. He can't undo an advertisement like that.
Kicking Neymar would have been fruitless, in he would either come back and mess around or not return at all.
In banning Neymar, Furdle ensures he does not return, and he also puts out a message to all those on the server, that Neymar's actions are not acceptable under any circumstances. Which a few people here have agreed with.
The time that Furdle bans for is up to his discretion (just as it's up to the discretion of any Admin on Furdle's server, or an Admin on any server).
Furdle is the sort of person who has a yes/no policy to banning. That's his choice. You can not force your own opinions on how to administer bans on someone else, particularly when it's the other persons server.
You are right that I shouldn't have said "wow bad admins" but I was getting frustated because he doesn't have any server rules, doesn't warn people, cusses at his players when he gets angry, and when he bans he doesn't have valid reasons. It's just a really lame reason of "no.". That ban reason does not seem professional to me.
Looking at the chatlog in the OP, you didn't take very long to go from an uninvolved bystander to someone who is overly frustrated.
I can't help but see, for at least a little bit, that you got yourself overly involved in something and frustrated yourself.
Servers do not require server rules. It is not a necessity. They aren't even a guarantee that it'll be used.
Those horrible Add-Ons that force a Little pop-up box of rules? I'm sure most people just click OK and don't bother reading it anyway, or ignore it all together.
If you join a server like this, the rules should be fairly obvious. Play the game, try to play fair, don't lash out at Admins, don't be overly rude or aggressive to others, don't advertise other servers, etc...
Common sense to most people. I see a game-server like that, I join, I play the game, I have no need to know of rules, lest they are unusually specific or whatnot.
I'll leave the point about warnings alone, seeing as how I discussed it above. Again, note that you can't force your views on the application of kicks/bans on other people.
The point about Furdle swearing at you is entirely your own fault.
Allow me to lay this straight.
- Neymar is banned for advertising a server immediately upon connecting to the server
- You, an uninvolved player ask "what server rules say you can ban someone for asking that?"
- You phrase this in such a way as to claim that Furdle, the host, shouldn't have full right to administrate his server how he likes.
- You fail to notice the unwanted, and rude action that Neymar committed and how appalling it was, and continue to speak out against his banning.
- You ask "admins"... "where are the server rules"
- You speak in such a way as to proclaim right to brown townyse the way in which the host has administrated his server.
- You fail to notice the other members of the server (non-admins), like Ark5 and Sphere and Guardian, who point out that the rules are obvious and not written down, and that Neymar had broken them
- You now say "are you serious? banning people without warning?"
- You belittle Furdle in his own server, actively having a go at his administration, on a case that he was in the right about, which other non-admin members explained, which was painstakingly obvious, upon his own server.
- Furdle says "Waldo, shut the **** up".
- Quite rightly, seeing as how you have jumped into an argument you had no part in, ignored other people and their proper explanations, insulted Furdle and his right to administrate his own server, and acted high and mighty on a server you are a guest in.
- You hammer the final nail in the coffin. After all of the above, you stand there and openly insult Furdle, his server, and the administrative team behind it.
- Furdle bans you, Permanently, for the reason "no"
If it's not obvious, you went and ignored all the obvious signs that Neymar's actions were wrong (The act of what he did, and being told by other players), and then you droned on about it, phrasings your questions in ways that undermine the choices of Furdle and his right to make those choices.
Furdle then tells you to "Shut the forget up".
So you retort, oh so wittily, with "wow bad admins".
It is no surprise whatsoever that you were sworn at or banned. Quite frankly, you were being exceedingly rude and ignorant.
And the ban reason, I already explained. It was the previous ban reason used. It could have been a retort to Neymar's post, or from earlier on.
It does not have to relate to the reason for your banning, which should have been very clear.
You are being banned from a server. You are not being fired from a place of work. You do not require a professional reason for your banning.
Furdle cussed at me before I even insulted him. Furdle said to me "Waldo, shut the f**k up". When admins say that to their players when they don't want to hear things, I feel like they don't care to treat their players nicely. Furdle could've said "Waldo, shut up." without even using a cuss word. If he said it that way, maybe I wouldn't have said "wow bad admins". The exact reason I said "wow bad admins" is because he cussed at me and I felt like I was being mistreated.
I'll leave this as with above.
You did not insult Furdle prior to him telling you to "shut the forget up", at least not in a direct manner.
You did however insult Furdle through your attitude and behaviour.
The pressing manner and self-righteous way in which you argue against a fairly-banned players is an insult in itself. Particularly when it is explained so by other non-admin players. Normal players who have the proper decency and common sense required, which you lacked.
I don't really care if I get unbanned, I may not return to the server because I don't like how the administering is done.
I've no doubt that you probably won't be allowed back on the server now.
Which is a shame. It would have been nicer if everything could have gone swimmingly and you could have just enjoyed the server.
If he would've talked more nicely to his players, maybe I would've respected him and his server more. Him cussing at me shows that he doesn't respect his players that much.
Respect goes two ways.
You failed to show him respect, and Furdle didn't show you respect.
And it's not that Furdle doesn't respect his players, it's that he doesn't respect you.
And watching all this, you blowing a petty squabble out of proportion, while failing to look at it from both sides, I can't help but see reason in Furdle's lack of respect for you.
To some up, Waldo, you only have yourself to blame.
There was no problem with the way in which Furdle handled the banning of Neymar.
You became self-righteous and overly forth-right, in a way that is easily seen as insulting towards Furdle.
You were banned fairly.
You may have different opinions on how precisely bans/kicks/warnings should be administered, but they are not shared by Furdle, nor many other players, and you can not enforce your opinions upon others, especially on their own servers.
