Author Topic: Pi Contest in School (3.14159...)  (Read 3581 times)

every time it expands by 10x it would require 1 more decimal

it's simple math, and i understand it perfectly

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm simply injecting my perspective on it.
you're simply acting like an uppity douche

I once wrote a generator in Python that generated Pi and every I think 1000 digits it would record to a file.

you can see why I stopped using it.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 05:46:30 PM by Perlin Noise »

I once wrote a generator in Python that generated Python and every I think 1000 digits it would record to a file.

you can see why I stopped using it.
Wait what.

every time it expands by 10x it would require 1 more decimal

it's simple math, and i understand it perfectly

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm simply injecting my perspective on it.

Ugh I can't find a satisfactory was to explain it.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 05:49:46 PM by dkamm65 »

-wait a sec-
good you edited

i was like
no bro you totally missed what he was saying


Ugh I can't find a satisfactory was to explain it.
good you edited

i was like
no bro you totally missed what he was saying
I'm really confused here :|

I'm really confused here :|

I had some irrelevant math written out.

So in school we are required to memorize 30 digits of pi

Sounds extremely useless

especially for an 11 year old
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 06:16:10 PM by Messes »

I don't think I understand numbers.

Ok I was mistaken about the decimal places needed increasing.

I did some math and figured out we won't need another digit to calculate the circumference within the width of a hydrogen atom for another 837 billion years.

I think my math is right. I need a mathematician to confirm it or something.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 06:42:56 PM by dkamm65 »

Double posting this.

Ok the observable universe is 8.8*1026 meters in diameter. We'll call this d.

The difference between the actual circumference of the universe and the 39 digit representation would be written as:

πd - π39d

This would be about -2.5*10-12 meters. The width of a hydrogen atom is 2.5*10-11 meters. So you can see the difference between the actual circumference and approximation is smaller than a hydrogen atom.

Now to calculate how long it would take to require an extra decimal place I thought of it like this:

Since the difference between the margin of error in the approximation and the size of a hydrogen atom is almost exactly one order of magnitude, the size of the universe would need to be one order of magnitude larger before the size of the hydrogen atom would eclipse the margin of error. This would be the math involved in that thinking:

8.8*1026π - 8.8*1026π39 = -2.5*10-12 (margin of error in the approximation)

8.8*1027π - 8.8*1027π39 = -2.5*10-11 (margin of error with the universe one order of magnitude larger, now the same size as a hydrogen atom)

Now we need to find out how many meters that order of magnitude is.

8.8*1027 - 8.8*1026 = 7.92*1027 meters

So the universe will need to be 7.92*1027 meters larger before another decimal place is needed. Now how many years will it take for the observable universe to
expand that much?

The observable universe is expanding by 1 light year per year. One light year is 9.46*1015 meters.

All we need now is some division. We have to divide the difference in meters by the amount of meters the observable universe expands per year.

7.92*1027 meters / 9.46*1015 meters per year = 8.37*1011 years

Written normally, that would be 837 billion years.

For reference, the universe is only 13.8 billion years old.

MATH IS FUN

All I know about pi is 3.14

:(