Nations at War - Closing Time!

[SWAT One]

You don't understand.  Mob rule is out of your control.  I made it clear that W. Erinaum wanted to be it's own nation, and UOU refused to acknowledge that.  The realistic response is that the citizens would be upset, and after more and more denial of sovereignty, civil rights and freedom, they would be increasingly angry.

It started with citizens trusting the UOU, but poor management cause some of the more liberation-leaning people to side with liberation.  Your actions have changed the political sphere.  Had you provided them with protectorate rights, they would be for the most part satisfied.  However, the W. Erinamese have come to view UOU as imperialistic, pushing religion and religious agenda where it doesn't belong, as dictated by the society in which they had been conditioned, self-righteous and greedy.  The Prophet is seen as a tyrant by many, though only some choose to do anything about it.

That is reality, and I do say that you don the self-rightious and narrow-minded character of your nation's leadership well.  Impressive.


Plethora, I have been starting organized attacks and riots under the guise of the W. Erinamese rebels.  What I am dismissing is UOU's assumption that they would have total control over a rebellious populous.

I am not the only one rallying for my side.  I can guarantee you that.  Read back on the last few pages.  There are two people.

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[Plethora]

Ad hominem attacks.  Aka lazy arguing.

You cannot effect mob rule in another person's nation.  Period.  this is not about total realism, this is about people not being able to go around claiming mob rule willy nilly.

For instance, what prevents me from declaring mob rule in Erinaum at the AC border right now?  Movement of people has been allowed again, AC citizens are in the area.  AC citizens are very angry that Erinaum is attempting to steal land from UOU.  AC citizens in Erinaum incite mob rule.  Makes as much sense as your claims to hostility in the UOU.  What prevents me?

If mob rule is out of the control of the actual person that runs the nation, then there is no reason why it should be controlled by someone else.

Do you get it?  Are you willing to be reasonable now, or am I just going to start voiding all the ridiculous things you say and then rationalize when you get called out about them?
Swat, I must say this:  I am not saying that Lancelot has total control over that region, I did say that you are allowed to do all those things.  I am saying that you cannot control that populous to the degree that you have been claiming to.  That's all.  I'm not saying that you can have no control, nor am I saying that you can have total control.  I'm saying that it's his nation, his people, his land; if he doesn't play along with mob rule, there is none.  There can be trouble, there can be attacks, but there will be nothing so extensive as mob rule.

[SWAT One]

Confederate conflict at the border makes sense, and I will allow it if you see it as reasonable, I will respond in some way, but I'd like to call attention to UOU doing little regarding the actual turn of events.  They claim they have things under control.  Okay, let them explain what measures they are taking.

I incite mob rule in certain areas (and only meant it to last for the blackout, and I apologize for what confusion I have caused regarding this) because of liberation organization activity.  You said that you allowed Abdullahi to try and rebel, but would be willing to fight it, and you took the position as New Yaslovakia in rebellion, so as you had taken both sides of rebellions of similar sorts, I would like you to respect that.

[SirLancelot7]

Listen, we can compromise and we'll do exactly what happened when Abdullahi rebelled in the AC.

W Erinaum rebels will be allowed to move and relocate into E Erinaum.  Erinaum and UoU will stop the arguing and go separate ways.  UoU will return previously owned Yaslovakian land that was transferred during the Yaslovakian CrCIA.  UoU will then put in an application to join the Tblisi Pact.

[SWAT One]

That would remove you from the PEMU permanent membership, and quite possibly all full membership.

E. Erinaum is willing to open up doors for an influx, but requests that they be given time to construct suitable housing, and to post campaigns to encourage this.  E. Erinaum cannot guarantee that these citizens will leave, or if it will quell the problem.  We also ask that you allow the same for any Abdullahians.

W. Erinamese protests are becoming widespread.  None of them are violent, but energy is in the air.

[mlockha]

i'm back
i already talked to plethora about it so

[SWAT One]

Yay.  I was missing Atsina.  It felt so empty.

[mlockha]

Yay.  I was missing Atsina.  It felt so empty.

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[Swat 3]

Holy stuff Swat, what Plethora says is final.


NTA sends it's first satellite into space. Mining of the natural resources in NTA increases as well with claiming the south.

[grunterdb1951]

I really loving regret making the original rp now.

[SWAT One]

Holy stuff Swat, what Plethora says is final.

And Plethora said things in the past that mandated contrary policy, which is why I am questioning it.

Either way, the issue is being discussed in private.


Woops.  Said 2100.  Meant to say the next option.

[Plethora]

And Plethora said things in the past that mandated contrary policy, which is why I am questioning it.  Quote please.  But yes, I do handle some things on a case by case basis and am not as superhuman as a perfect OP ought to be.  Sue me.
Woops.  Said 2100.  Meant to say the next option.  Noted.

The AC is gladdened by Erinaum's cooperation with the possibility of relocation.  The Grand Sheikh sends a card to the leaders of both nations with his regards and a bottle of wine.

[SWAT One]

Ivek Zjulev dies of stage 4 skin cancer, though newly crowned Ivek Næm II stresses that negotiation should take precedence.  Until things are settled, no statement will be released by E. Erinaum.


Just saying guys, SL7 and I are trying to be civil through PMs.  Working on resolving issues so if both parties can be treated as if in stasis, that would be great, thanks.

[SirLancelot7]

Yeah, the issue is basically paused right now as we work it out.

UoU prepares Plan Heyner.

[Plethora]

The Grand Sheikh sends his condolences to the Erinamese royal family.

As happens every so many years, the AC's air defense grid, cyber defense grid, highways, and railways get a revamp.  The armed forces also go through a rebriefing, war games, a number of drills, and improved education regarding emergency procedures; the jets get scrambled, the ICBM launch sites are primed and ready to fire, the submarines ready themselves; and finally the revamp period ends and everyone can start breathing again.  Although the exact information is classified, the AC's armed forces did well under the fake threats and performed admirably under pressure.

Work on upgrades to TPSP orbital and lunar assets has been completed, and the fabrication of parts for the TPSP Mars Base is well under way.