Author Topic: yawa200 (ID 17399): Cheats at his own game  (Read 5919 times)

miracle, you not only misinterpreted what he meant with the ddos example, but you also just dismissed the entire topic.
good job.

miracle, you not only misinterpreted what he meant with the ddos example, but you also just dismissed the entire topic.
good job.


I didn't misinterpret stuff. DDOSing someone elses server and Banning someone from your own server are not at all related, in any way. There is nothing to misinterpret.

How can you be so blind to not read any of the topic responses and just post random stuff like this?


I didn't misinterpret stuff. DDOSing someone elses server and Banning someone from your own server are not at all related, in any way. There is nothing to misinterpret.

How can you be so blind to not read any of the topic responses and just post random stuff like this?
Pretty sure it was a metaphor not a comparison between the two

Pretty sure it was a metaphor not a comparison between the two

A metaphor is a comparison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor

A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes a subject by asserting that it is, on some point of comparison...

Word it however you want, he said: "It's like someone DDoSing a server"

Yeah it's not a comparison he just said someone was like something else. I get you.

Funny you tell him what he says was irrelevant when just about everything you said is unnecessary and completely apparent to anyone who has half a loving brain.

"But It's a Drama." Oh, it is? I surly didn't know that when I clicked on thread, and topic...

"It's like someone DDoSing a server;" It's not at all like someone DDOSing a server. I have no idea how you even thought of that comparison...

It's his server. In his server he can do whatever he want's. He can cheat, ban you, or give everyone admin. It's completely up to him. It is NOT your RIGHT as a player to be able to play in HIS server. If he doesn't like you, he can ban you whenever he wants, for no reason. And guess what? There is nothing you can do about it.

Think about it like this. If he cheated all the time, and banned randomly for no reason, no one will want to play in his server. This in itself is his own penalty.

Would it also be wrong if he did all these things? Yeah sure, it would. But he still can, and there's nothing you can do about it besides play a different server, that's not hosted by an idiot.

How it's not like DDoSing. Well, let's think here. Use our brains, maybe... DDoSing is technically illegal, and DDoSing harming someone else connection by sending loads of packets to their IP at once. So, it's like you are taking something away from them that doesn't belong to you.

His server, belongs to him. He can do whatever he want on it, and there is nothing you can do to stop him. He can be a total starfish, stuffforget, loser, richardhead. But guess what, if he does... You can play a DIFFERENT SERVER. That's right! There are hundreds to pick from. NO ONE will WANT to play a server that's hosted by a person like this. No one in the right mind, that is. That doesn't mean he still cannot do whatever he wants on his server. A server host, by no means should have to acclimate his server in any way, shape, or form to meet the players needs. The players do not have a right to play in his server exactly just how they want. It's not theirs, it's his. This is what I'm saying, that everybody seems to just ignore, and requote Badspot to respond to. It is not right for him to do this. I am in no way, shape or form, justifying why he has done this. However, it is his server. The server does not belong to the players. It belong to him. So he can do whatever he wants, and there is nothing you can do to stop him when he does. Besides well, play a different server, with a better host.

Are you seriously that thick-skulled?

Drama is meant to do exactly what you said, to let people know what a horrible host he is. By saying "He can do what he wants," over and over again means nothing. Of course he can do what he wants, but as you said, that doesn't make it right, explaining this drama.

There was no reason for you and Pass to say, "We'll, it's his server and he can do what he wants." If everyone said that, there would be no reason for Drama to exist, because every time there is a problem, you can simply say, "They can do what they want."

Do you not understand that saying that he can do what he wants 10,000 times wont solve anything? If he didn't do what he wanted to do (And obviously he wanted to cheat), this Drama would never have been created.

I really don't understand you. Are you agreeing with me or not? One minute you say "It's his server, join another one," and the next minute you say, "He's wrong for doing this; I'm not defending him." Saying that there are hundreds of servers is defending yawa's actions by claiming that if you don't like how he administrates, you can just leave.

You do realize that by dismissing the problem as simply, "There are hundreds of servers to join," is doing nothing to fix the problem, right?
Make up your mind.

By the way, about the DDoS comparison; you went way too in-depth with your reasoning. My claim was simply that saying both DDoSing and cheating at your own game is wrong and that you have to face consequences for both. (Revoking key/Drama) Overall, it doesn't matter how big the problem is; if you're the one in the wrong, you should face the consequences, no matter what they may be.

You took it as I was saying that harming someone's connection and just being an ass are equal.

yeah miracle honestly why even bother partaking in a discussion if you're just going to be redundant and beligerent to see from different perspectives

A metaphor is a comparison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor

A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes a subject by asserting that it is, on some point of comparison...

Word it however you want, he said: "It's like someone DDoSing a server"

Yeah it's not a comparison he just said someone was like something else. I get you.
Thats why I said between the two

The metaphor has to do with being able to do whatever they want

the comparison is that in both situations they can do whatever they want

Hes not comparing banning to DDOS because they are pretty different.

Are you seriously that thick-skulled?

Drama is meant to do exactly what you said, to let people know what a horrible host he is. By saying "He can do what he wants," over and over again means nothing. Of course he can do what he wants, but as you said, that doesn't make it right, explaining this drama.

There was no reason for you and Pass to say, "We'll, it's his server and he can do what he wants." If everyone said that, there would be no reason for Drama to exist, because every time there is a problem, you can simply say, "They can do what they want."

Do you not understand that saying that he can do what he wants 10,000 times wont solve anything? If he didn't do what he wanted to do (And obviously he wanted to cheat), this Drama would never have been created.

I really don't understand you. Are you agreeing with me or not? One minute you say "It's his server, join another one," and the next minute you say, "He's wrong for doing this; I'm not defending him." Saying that there are hundreds of servers is defending yawa's actions by claiming that if you don't like how he administrates, you can just leave.

You do realize that by dismissing the problem as simply, "There are hundreds of servers to join," is doing nothing to fix the problem, right?
Make up your mind.

By the way, about the DDoS comparison; you went way too in-depth with your reasoning. My claim was simply that saying both DDoSing and cheating at your own game is wrong and that you have to face consequences for both. (Revoking key/Drama) Overall, it doesn't matter how big the problem is; if you're the one in the wrong, you should face the consequences, no matter what they may be.

You took it as I was saying that harming someone's connection and just being an ass are equal.

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There was no reason for you and Pass to say, "We'll, it's his server and he can do what he wants." If everyone said that, there would be no reason for Drama to exist, because every time there is a problem, you can simply say, "They can do what they want."

You misinterpret everything we say as well. Drama has plenty of reason to exist. You say I have a think skull yet do not look outside your own. The way all of you explain it is that he has no right do this. He has to acclimate his server to be exactly how you want to play it and if he doesn't, you will bitch bitch bitch about how you don't like it, and that will fix the problem. You explain it as if the players have moreso right to play in his server than the host himself.

Inside all of your minds:

1. I don't like what the host did!
2. That was unfair, he cheated!
3. Complaining about it on drama will make him rearrange his server to be exactly how I want to play it!  <- This is where it goes wrong

Here is reality:

Complaining about how he is an starfish, handicap, richardhead won't do anything besides waste your energy. He may be the most handicapped, little piece of stuff starfish you've ever met on Blockland. But complaining about him will do little to make him change.  

It's his server. He CAN cheat on it, and there is nothing you can do. Bitching about it will do nothing, and is barely any consequence.

All this aside, there is still plenty of reason to have the drama section. What if he were cheating on another players server, one that he was not hosting? And what if the host didn't want him to cheat, but was not there to witness it at the time? Here is where bitching about it can actually do something. The host has the power, it's his server (as I've said many times). Making a drama about the player cheating on a server (thats not his own) is actually productive. It could inform the host of his actions, and he could ban the player.

The host should not have to acclimate his server to the players needs, if he doesn't want to. Whether you think bad of him for not doing so, is your own opinion. But this is what me and Pass are saying that you all do not get:

THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO IF HOST DOESN'T MAKE HIS SERVER EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT TO PLAY IT.
Bitching about how you don't like it literally can't change anything, and the players don't have the right to make the host change his server, just because they don't like it, even if his actions are morally wrong.

IT DOES NOT JUSTIFY HIS ACTIONS.

But you can't do anything to change them.


If he was cheating another server, you CAN. THIS IS WHY DRAMA SHOULD EXIST!

To inform the public about idiots and starfish handicaps who cheat and troll to ruin other peoples fun, that can actually be stopped.


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You do realize that by dismissing the problem as simply, "There are hundreds of servers to join," is doing nothing to fix the problem, right?
Make up your mind.

Bitching about the problem really does nothing to fix it either.



By the way, about the DDoS comparison; you went way too in-depth with your reasoning. My claim was simply that saying both DDoSing and cheating at your own game is wrong and that you have to face consequences for both. (Revoking key/Drama) Overall, it doesn't matter how big the problem is; if you're the one in the wrong, you should face the consequences, no matter what they may be.


Okay, but that's the same thing as saying cheating on a Blockland server and adultery are both wrong. They both are, and both should have consequences. But it doesn't do much to support your point.


By the way, about the DDoS comparison; you went way too in-depth with your reasoning. My claim was simply that saying both DDoSing and cheating at your own game is wrong and that you have to face consequences for both. (Revoking key/Drama) Overall, it doesn't matter how big the problem is; if you're the one in the wrong, you should face the consequences, no matter what they may be.


Okay, but that's the same thing as saying cheating on a Blockland server and adultery are both wrong. They both are, and both should have consequences. But it doesn't do much to support your point.
I dont care about the conqequences, that comes later. Im simply stating that DDOS and Hosting/Banning/cheating are similar because in both situations the person can do whatever they want. (As Evan was saying in which you proceeded to argue, so I told you and then you were saying I went too indepth) They are different because DDOS is denial of service and illegal where as banning/cheating (whatever) is not illegal. Sorry if I overcomplicated things for you.

Yes they both face consequences just like every other action on the earth.

so in conclusion you're telling us that this isn't drama worthy yet what you've told us not to do is the point of drama; to complain.

You misinterpret everything we say as well. Drama has plenty of reason to exist. You say I have a think skull yet do not look outside your own. The way all of you explain it is that he has no right do this. He has to acclimate his server to be exactly how you want to play it and if he doesn't, you will bitch bitch bitch about how you don't like it, and that will fix the problem. You explain it as if the players have moreso right to play in his server than the host himself.

Inside all of your minds:

1. I don't like what the host did!
2. That was unfair, he cheated!
3. Complaining about it on drama will make him rearrange his server to be exactly how I want to play it!  <- This is where it goes wrong

Here is reality:

Complaining about how he is an starfish, handicap, richardhead won't do anything besides waste your energy. He may be the most handicapped, little piece of stuff starfish you've ever met on Blockland. But complaining about him will do little to make him change.  

It's his server. He CAN cheat on it, and there is nothing you can do. Bitching about it will do nothing, and is barely any consequence.

All this aside, there is still plenty of reason to have the drama section. What if he were cheating on another players server, one that he was not hosting? And what if the host didn't want him to cheat, but was not there to witness it at the time? Here is where bitching about it can actually do something. The host has the power, it's his server (as I've said many times). Making a drama about the player cheating on a server (thats not his own) is actually productive. It could inform the host of his actions, and he could ban the player.

The host should not have to acclimate his server to the players needs, if he doesn't want to. Whether you think bad of him for not doing so, is your own opinion. But this is what me and Pass are saying that you all do not get:

THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO IF HOST DOESN'T MAKE HIS SERVER EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT TO PLAY IT.
Bitching about how you don't like it literally can't change anything, and the players don't have the right to make the host change his server, just because they don't like it, even if his actions are morally wrong.

IT DOES NOT JUSTIFY HIS ACTIONS.

But you can't do anything to change them.


If he was cheating another server, you CAN. THIS IS WHY DRAMA SHOULD EXIST!

To inform the public about idiots and starfish handicaps who cheat and troll to ruin other peoples fun, that can actually be stopped.


Bitching about the problem really does nothing to fix it either.



By the way, about the DDoS comparison; you went way too in-depth with your reasoning. My claim was simply that saying both DDoSing and cheating at your own game is wrong and that you have to face consequences for both. (Revoking key/Drama) Overall, it doesn't matter how big the problem is; if you're the one in the wrong, you should face the consequences, no matter what they may be.


Okay, but that's the same thing as saying cheating on a Blockland server and adultery are both wrong. They both are, and both should have consequences. But it doesn't do much to support your point.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying anything about the server, as I haven't visited it myself at all. Just basing my opinions from the OP's information.

Bitching and letting the forum users know of a troublesome host are two different things. I never said he had to change the server to match the players' expectations, but it's common sense not to use unfair advantages in something that you know you wouldn't want someone else to do to you. Of course we could say "It's his server" all day, but it could help the player's decision to steer away from yawa's server.

Making a drama about a host like this will do little to make him change, sure, but it can do a lot to make the community's view of him as a host change.


Cheating and a player complaining about something that he personally wants changed are also two different situations. If I made a server where the teams were Red, Blue, Green, and Purple, and someone said that they don't like the color purple, so I should change it, there would be no reason to listen as it doesn't affect the gameplay at all.

If I made a server and was blatantly orbing everywhere when I know that the players cannot do the same and that I shouldn't be doing it, it's common sense not to do it, and to make the game fair, I should stop doing it for the sake of my players.

I haven't been to his server, but I doubt he has a warning message that says "The host may cheat if he wants" when you join. If he did, the blame would be on the player, because he warned them of his cheating beforehand, but if he's doing it just to mess with people, he's a douche and should be pointed out as such, whether he gets punished for it by a decreased playercount or not.


I advise Yawa to either warn people of his cheating or to stop being a douche and quit doing it without the players being told of it.


Bitching about how you don't like it literally can't change anything, and the players don't have the right to make the host change his server, just because they don't like it, even if his actions are morally wrong.

IT DOES NOT JUSTIFY HIS ACTIONS.

But you can't do anything to change them.

To inform the public about idiots and starfish handicaps who cheat and troll to ruin other peoples fun, that can actually be stopped.

Bitching about the problem really does nothing to fix it either.
Ok, I think Badspot's quote can be taken two different ways. "Might does not make right" can mean:
A: Being in a position of power does not give you the right to do whatever the forget you want with it
B: Being in a position of power does not automatically grant you moral superiority, you are wrong just as much as you would be without that power.

Also, I posted this to notify people to never, ever provide this person with any modicum of power, as it will clearly be abused, as well as to deter other individuals from entering the server, thus reducing the number of players the host receives and causing the reputational damage inherent to the system of consequences WITHOUT wasting the time of would-be players who have to find out the hard way that the host is a cheating asshat.

Sure the host can keep hosting. Not like I'll play there. Sure it is technically within their power to do whatever the forget they want, but that does not make it RIGHT, and THAT is the point that I have been trying to make with this drama: What this person does is wrong, and if you join their server, you're gonna have a bad time.

Drama-ing a person over their actions on their own server DOES NOT cause official sanctions to be placed on them, by them. However, it serves as a warning to anyone who might consider this person for a position of power in the future, thus serving to isolate the problem away from the rest of the community (at least a little bit).

Happy now, folks?

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Just to be clear, I'm not saying anything about the server, as I haven't visited it myself at all. Just basing my opinions from the OP's information.

Bitching and letting the forum users know of a troublesome host are two different things. I never said he had to change the server to match the players' expectations, but it's common sense not to use unfair advantages in something that you know you wouldn't want someone else to do to you. Of course we could say "It's his server" all day, but it could help the player's decision to steer away from yawa's server.

Making a drama about a host like this will do little to make him change, sure, but it can do a lot to make the community's view of him as a host change.


Cheating and a player complaining about something that he personally wants changed are also two different situations. If I made a server where the teams were Red, Blue, Green, and Purple, and someone said that they don't like the color purple, so I should change it, there would be no reason to listen as it doesn't affect the gameplay at all.

If I made a server and was blatantly orbing everywhere when I know that the players cannot do the same and that I shouldn't be doing it, it's common sense not to do it, and to make the game fair, I should stop doing it for the sake of my players.

I haven't been to his server, but I doubt he has a warning message that says "The host may cheat if he wants" when you join. If he did, the blame would be on the player, because he warned them of his cheating beforehand, but if he's doing it just to mess with people, he's a douche and should be pointed out as such, whether he gets punished for it by a decreased playercount or not.


I advise Yawa to either warn people of his cheating or to stop being a douche and quit doing it without the players being told of it.
Goddamn that's prettymuch what I was trying to say.
And no, the join message was just the Speedkart gamemode's default "Welcome!" (there may have been a few more exclamation points added).