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Government healthcare is always a bad idea. Take Canada for example. So many Canadian doctors have left the workforce that wait-times for medicine are egregious. Long waits for colonoscopies have resulted in a 25% higher colon cancer rate in Canada. The Canadian government is funneling money into the system that's failing and chasing away doctors. The government can not operate anything correctly, let alone control an entire industry. Everything about it is a bad idea. In America, this is an extremely expensive project that we're trying to launch in the middle of our worst financial debt ever. On October 17th we're projected to literally run out of money and there's an entire half of the nation trying to argue that the best course of action is to spend even more money. It's ridiculous.
$trinick, you dah man. ;)

The original American government served to protect us, our land, and to keep order. Now it's "oh, we should 'help' 50% of all people in America by giving them money while simultaneously trying to control many major industries that should be handled by the people, the largest here being healthcare (and public schooling, but that's a different matter).

Back when there was no national healthcare, we got along just fine, and doctors had much more reasonable prices, too. Couldn't afford one? 99.99% of the time, a charitable organization (commonly churches) would pay the bill for you. But now, doctors charge ridiculous amounts of money, the actual system (getting the patient taking care of properly) often fails, and people get tons of money thrown at them for healthcare by the government, and then still go into debt because of the ridiculous prices. Then, the government is in more debt than it was before, the patients are in debt because of reliance and a false sense of security in many government programs, and the doctors have lods emone going into their pockets. Realistically, it'd be difficult to remove healthcare from government control, and truthfully, many people would hate it. Those people, however, are the ones who don't take the time to look at what our now sad excuse of a government is doing to our economy.

nothing about obamacare is free

you're part of the dirty rich? well screw you, you get to pay more for nothing new you dirty corporatist

you're poor and innocent and victimized by the evil corporatists? we're sorry, we're going to force you to buy a healthcare plan and then subsidize it with your tax m- oh wait you dont pay taxes so youre a useless drain on the system good for you here have "free" healthcare obviously if something has a label its true

Republicans apparently hate the idea of sick children being able to afford health insurance now.

In America, this is an extremely expensive project that we're trying to launch in the middle of our worst financial debt ever. On October 17th we're projected to literally run out of money and there's an entire half of the nation trying to argue that the best course of action is to spend even more money. It's ridiculous.

Fun fact: The ACA will actually reduce the deficit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1niguh/im_jon_cohn_a_senior_editor_at_the_new_republic/cciv6ep

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43472-07-24-2012-CoverageEstimates.pdf
« Last Edit: October 01, 2013, 11:50:17 AM by dkamm65 »

Even if it does reduce the deficit (which I somewhat doubt, because it's the modern American government we're talking about here), how much of a difference does it really make? After all, the total US debt is trillions of dollars. It would take years of the government doing nothing but work to gain money without spending any of it to pay off the national debt. So, while decreasing the deficit is nice - progress is progress, after all - we have to ask ourselves if it really makes a difference in the long run.

actually we hate the idea of being forced to pay for something we don't want or need or pay a fine but i see how you could get blinded by the dogma

Even if it does reduce the deficit (which I somewhat doubt)

I forgot. You know the budget better than the CBO. My mistake.

we have to ask ourselves if it really makes a difference in the long run.

Who cares? His entire point was we can't afford it when we clearly can.

http://usdebtclock.org/cbo-omb-gop-budget-estimates.html

note budget deficit amounts between current and gop estimates, also note gdp size, tax revenue, and spending

changed a word because implications are hard to understand i guess?
« Last Edit: October 01, 2013, 02:10:07 PM by Kearn »

Fun fact #2: The ACA was originally a republican idea.

http://usdebtclock.org/cbo-omb-gop-budget-estimates.html

note budget deficit amounts between current and gop plans, also note gdp size, tax revenue, and spending

wat

Those are estimates of the current deficit from different offices. It has nothing to do with "current plans". You have no idea what you're talking about.

thats not my point

the gop estimate assumes that medicare spending doesnt go through the roof (which it does at current rates) and that spending won't continue to increase significantly (as it does under the omb and cbo) and that the economy will recover (which it doesnt at current rates (did you know that averaging 1% gdp growth over 4 years is horrendous?))

we cant afford it at current rates, if the super happy circumstances occurred and we could actually get to those estimates (specifically the gop outlines) then we would still be running deficits and would have a debt nearing 21 trillion dollars
« Last Edit: October 01, 2013, 02:09:16 PM by Kearn »


No, it's the Universal Healthcare Act.

does that mean aliens get free healthcare

thats prob the whole scam. enact obamacare regardless of how it dosnt make sense.
then when things need budgeting, just dump other stuff they didnt want anyways. like medicare, SS, other entitlements; to save money.

like if they wanted to get rid of that stuff from the beginning, its a good plan lol

Why does the title sound like a movie?

Why does the title sound like a movie?

it was "in 24 hours" about 24 hours ago.
but made more sense to update it when the time came lol

I can't wait 'till the 17th.

I just can't wait.
Oh yeah, government healthcare is terrible. If work forces have to loving give you healthcare, of course they will make you do 29 days. That means you won't get healthcare or enough money to get it, and also, you have to PAY TO NOT HAVE HEALTHCARE.

Why.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2013, 04:26:44 PM by Swat 3 »