Author Topic: Super-Murder-Mystery Bullstuff.  (Read 7076 times)

Super Murder Mystery server admins only ban people for RDMing if they get RDMed, even if it was accidental they use their admin powers to cheat.

Not on my servers? Anybody who's doing that shouldn't be hosting it.

Not on my servers? Anybody who's doing that shouldn't be hosting it.
god damn it port

T'was thinking of making a custom murder mystery before this stuff even started.
VCE and stuff
also
Honestly its very hard to administrate a smm server correctly

alright it's decided

port, we're never releasing anything ever again

alright it's decided

port, we're never releasing anything ever again
welp we forgeted up big time

I was banned for the same reason as you, twice. I killed two people who I thought were mafia, with evidence that they were (backstabbing and killing people). The admins happen to only witness the side of innocents killing suspects, not what the innocent witnessed that led to them killing the suspect in the first place.

I know rules are rules, but like Ike said the admins have a really firm grip on the Rule 2 excuse (no RDMing) on the server. Because of this, innocents can't defend themselves. An adapted point of the Mafia Mystery gamemode is to kill before being killed. Because the mafia players have one objective and that is to kill you, so you have to hunt them down and kill them first.


alright it's decided

port, we're never releasing anything ever again
Well we forgeted up.

I know rules are rules, but like Ike said the admins have a really firm grip on the Rule 2 excuse (no RDMing) on the server. Because of this, innocents can't defend themselves. An adapted point of the Mafia Mystery gamemode is to kill before being killed. Because the mafia players have one objective and that is to kill you, so you have to hunt them down and kill them first.

Exactly. The whole point of the server is that you're being hunted, so you have to act on improvised judgement. As example of how bad administration ruins the game, my younger brother Giroian got banned just a few hours ago on BlockoBlocko's server for attempting to protect somebody at the time he thought was an innocent.

From what he told me, somebody walked by and started randomly shooting a guy, so my brother tried to get his reason for attacking the guy, and while asking, the suspicious player went to finish off the victim. Because the instigator hadn't given reason, my brother had to assess the situation and make a decision. His decision was to save the victim and kill the instigator. It turns out the instigator was innocent and the victim was mafia.

The admin who questioned and then ultimately banned Giroian stated that my brother should have questioned him before shooting. My brother's argument against this statement was that the instigator should have questioned the victim before attacking him. In my honest opinion, the instigator took full responsibility for what happened after attacking somebody without a given reason.

Whoever unfortunate enough to be the witness would have most likely made the same decision that my brother made, to be honest. If you give somebody suspicious an opportunity to attack you, chances are that they will. Had the instigator been part of the mafia team that truly killed a victim, and my brother followed the admin's advice, he would have been attacked and or killed. This is something you have to expect when dealing with a situation like this.

The reason why punishing innocents that kill other innocents in every situation is bad is because you're discouraging the players from actually playing the game legitimately. Who knows if the guy who randomly kills somebody is mafia or not? Who knows if he's going to attack anyone else given the chance? The entire game hinges on that uncertainty, and punishing people for acting on their judgement is actively making your server worse.

Giroian was banned for disreguarding the statement of a attack witness and not letting a mafia be killed. Giroians statement was "I was with him the whole round he didn't kill anyone". This was false. I witnessed the person Giroian was trying to protect kill two people, including myself. Then, after Giroian shot the person trying to kill the mafia, he unzipped the body bag and the mafia killed him! Isn't that great? After that Gir stopped trying to defend himself and I banned him.

Do you know if Giro thought the Mafia member was an innocent or not? Do you know if Giro assumed that the Mafia member was an innocent?

Giro obviously assumed the person was innocent, but as he saw after he RDM'd someone trying to kill him, that the person was in fact mafia- because he shot him in the face.

Giroian was banned for disreguarding the statement of a attack witness and not letting a mafia be killed. Giroians statement was "I was with him the whole round he didn't kill anyone". This was false.

This alone was Giroian's reason to think he was innocent. He had not witnessed the mafia member do anything suspicious, therefore there was no reason to suspect him. It doesn't matter if it's false or not.


I witnessed the person Giroian was trying to protect kill two people, including myself.

Something Giroian did not witness, therefore he couldn't have known that he was indeed part of the mafia. At the time, all Giroian knew is that somebody ran up to a guy and started to attack him.


Then, after Giroian shot the person trying to kill the mafia, he unzipped the body bag and the mafia killed him! Isn't that great?

That's what makes the game fun. Each round is unique. The fact that somebody you tried to stick around for the whole round turned out to be mafia and then betrays you in the end is interesting and cool.


After that Gir stopped trying to defend himself and I banned him.

He stopped defending himself because you chose to side with the instigator before listening to the other side of the story. It doesn't take a genius to figure out he was going to get banned no matter what he said.


Giro obviously assumed the person was innocent, but as he saw after he RDM'd someone trying to kill him, that the person was in fact mafia- because he shot him in the face.

You kind of have to make an assumption when that's all you have. If there had been a bit more communication, this whole thing could have been avoided. Like I said before, when somebody starts attacking another person without given reason, there's really not a whole lot you can make of the situation. You either watch, or you try to help in any way you can.

This wasn't an RDM, and you are a bad admin.

alright it's decided

port, we're never releasing anything ever again
Bummer

This alone was Giroian's reason to think he was innocent. He had not witnessed the mafia member do anything suspicious, therefore there was no reason to suspect him. It doesn't matter if it's false or not.
Thing is, he admitted to lying about this part.

Something Giroian did not witness, therefore he couldn't have known that he was indeed part of the mafia. At the time, all Giroian knew is that somebody ran up to a guy and started to attack him.
Again, Giroian did not witness this because he wasn't with him the entire round as previously stated. This was part of why I banned him. Also, I did listen to Gir's side of the story- which he lied about.