Super-Murder-Mystery Bullstuff.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Again, Giroian did not witness this because he wasn't with him the entire round as previously stated. This was part of why I banned him.

It was a simple exaggeration, Giroian was with the guy for a while without him doing anything suspicious.

Also, I did listen to Gir's side of the story- which he lied about.

It seemed to me like you were more interested in finding somebody to ban than to resolve the situation.

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[matthewbim11]

Resolving the situation is a ban, if you haven't noticed. If I let one RDM go because the guy "thought" he was inno, then everyone else expects the same.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Resolving the situation is a ban, if you haven't noticed.

No, it's not. Nobody in that situation was actually in the wrong, things play out like that all the time in the game. The only difference is that somebody claimed RDM and you were too quick to judge.

If I let one RDM go because the guy "thought" he was inno, then everyone else expects the same.

This wasn't an RDM, for the last time. Giroian had a legitimate reason to kill the instigator.

[Gsterman]

Resolving the situation is a ban, if you haven't noticed. If I let one RDM go because the guy "thought" he was inno, then everyone else expects the same.

Uh, no.
Resolving it is exactly the opposite. Actually get evidence and talk to people instead of just BANBANBANBANBANBAN

[Crimson]

Resolving the situation is a ban, if you haven't noticed. If I let one RDM go because the guy "thought" he was inno, then everyone else expects the same.

It's not even a rdm at all. Things like this are what make Super Murder Mystery unique and fun, and then crappy admins like you restrict nearly everything and each round begins to feel like the last.

[matthewbim11]

Giroian had a legitimate reason to kill the instigator.

RDM victim is attacked by the mafia and knocks them out. Gir walks up and asked what happened. Vic says that the man shot him so he knocked him out. Gir gets defensive and pulls his gun out telling the vic to get out "I was with him the entire round he didn't do anything" (you didn't see him attack the vic?)" Vic tells Gir yes he did and then bags the person. Gir and vic go back and forth for a while and eventually vic gets tired of Gir ignoring him so he starts to shoot the bag and Gir knocks him out and meles him. He didn't just knock him out like the vic did to the mafia, he knocked him out and killed him. He didn't question the mafia (who was alive in the bag) about what happened, he just let him out. The mafia killed him without hesitation. That is RDM.

[AutoBahn]

Gir and vic go back and forth for a while and eventually vic gets tired of Gir ignoring him so he starts to shoot the bag and Gir knocks him out and meles him. He didn't just knock him out like the vic did to the mafia, he knocked him out and killed him. He didn't question the mafia (who was alive in the bag) about what happened, he just let him out. The mafia killed him without hesitation. That is RDM.

It's not RDM, it's you trying to make it look like it. Quit trying to warp things into your favor. You made a bad call, get over it. There's no reason to continue this bullstuff.
Simply explained, in any case:
Victim shoots the bag, Gir knocks him out because he thinks he's trying to get away with killing who he thinks is an inno.
Albeit it was a bad call to kill the vic, but I guess that's just instinct.
He probably should have questioned the maf before letting him out, but, considering what he's said previously

He had not witnessed the mafia member do anything suspicious, therefore there was no reason to suspect him. It doesn't matter if it's false or not.

I don't think he realized the bodybagged guy was actually maf.

[matthewbim11]

Albeit it was a bad call to kill the vic, but I guess that's just instinct.

This is why I banned him. He should not have killed the vic. It's one thing to knock out, another to kill.

[matthewbim11]

I witnessed the entire thing, what other evidence do I need? The mafia killed me prior to this entire thing so I was spectating him and this happened. Please note that Gir was not with him. Also, resolving the situation- the situation was a RDM accusation. Which I witnessed. So I banned the RDMer.

An innocent killing another innocent for little to no reason is not an RDM? Noted.

[Sentry]

Super Murder Mystery is a terrible gamemode.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Bim, what happened wasn't an RDM, and it happens more often than you think.

Everyone else agrees, you made a bad call on this one.

[Barnabas]

An innocent killing another innocent for little to no reason is not an RDM? Noted.

I'm wondering, how are you supposed to tell who's innocent and who's not without being an admin? I've only played a few rounds of this game at Bushi's or Port's server, and innocents killing other innocents didn't get punished by the admins as it was part of the game-play; it's part of the pure paranoia of not knowing whether you can trust the other guy, or whether the other guy trusts you enough. I'm aware of the notes that tell you who's innocent, but not everybody has access to those notes, so it's not exactly a valid excuse.

A very old Murder Mystery game-mode used to punish innocents killing innocents by actually killing the killer. The problem was it quickly decimated the number of people playing and all the rounds turned out to be the same after a while. This game seems to be more in favour of leaving everything up to the player's judgement, which is much better than what it used to be.

I think the big problem here is admins are expecting players to be omniscient which is unrealistic, as it would defeat the purpose of the game which is figuring out who's in the mafia and dealing with them.

[Swampivorous]

alright it's decided

port, we're never releasing anything ever again

and ever since this declaration, T+T choked and died.

* Swampivorous close book

The end.

[Gsterman]

An innocent killing another innocent for little to no reason is not an RDM? Noted.

Nice job messing with the quote, because I never posted that.

[Gsterman]

Nice job messing with the quote, because I never posted that.

Wait no. I'm a moron disregard that