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Guy's he's right
that's why we don't use silencers Aren't made to literally silence the gun, there aren't tanks with built in sound suppressors Tell me when this has been used effectively, ghillie suits are outdated and marines don't use them anymore Not all frontline troops wear ghille suits dumbforget., and now when we send troops somewhere, we give them a friendly phone call first saying "lol, see you in 20"

In case you were wondering, that's sarcasm and you should feel bad, stealth is completely vital nowadays. Nope. If that were the truth everything would be stealth. You send in an AC-130 to drop a bomb AC-130s don't drop bombs., and all it takes is 1 good hit from a SAM to down it. Same thing with a B-2. B2 Spirit? They won't know what forgetin' hit em.  The AC-130 typically has a crew of 6+, a B2 has a crew of 2. The AC-130 can go 300 mph, the B2 can do mach 1 (roughly 760mph). The AC-130 is loud as stuff AND it's easily detected. The B2 Stealth bomber is difficult to detect AND it's quiet.

So tell me again how stealth isn't necessary. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-10/01/radar-detects-stealth-aircraft

yes, emphasis on "stuff"

I don't understand how there are still "Russia is best" bandwagoners, it really is a bad country
Russian equipment is on the same level as  NATO equipment and it has been all through the cold war but ok.

Adin- you know that half of the info you just said was all wrong, anyway? ~classified information~

Aren't made to literally silence the gun - No, you're right, they're made to defuse sound so that it's harder to locate where it came from; helpful for when you don't want a counter-sniper hunting you down.

Tell me when this has been used effectively - speaking in terms of a military battle, I have no answer. They're too bulky currently, and are just too difficult to utilize in combat. On base, they're used so that everyone within a 10 mile radius doesn't have to cover their ears. Is it stealth? Not really, no. Is it significantly quietER? Yeah.

Not all frontline troops wear ghille suits dumbforget. - I never said they do. Nor did I say front-line troops. I said marines. More specifically, marines operating within heavily wooded areas where a ghille suit can hide your profile. Is it possible to detect them still? Yeah, body heat or sound. But nothing is 100%, so that's to be expected

Nope. If that were the truth everything would be stealth. - Just like how the raid on Al Qaeda's compound was spearheaded by a fleet of tan- wait no, it was a couple guys doing a quick in-and-out with specially modified Blackhawks to be quieter... A stealth mission?

AC-130s don't drop bombs. -


Same thing with a B-2. - You've got me there. Assuming a B2 Spirit is at it's highest speed (mach .9) and a Patriot Missile locked onto it (mach 5), yes, it would be lights out for the spirit. Hence the reasoning to get in and get out.

article/link - Genuinely interesting and it kind of does squish my points, but with the advancement of detection, can come the advancement of stealth technology. I refuse to believe we have reached the peak of our ability in terms of stealth technology, strictly because... well, that's not logical. Look back 50 years and computers filled entire rooms. Look back 100 years and planes were still a new concept.

~classified information~
wut

AC-130s don't drop bombs. -

The AC-130 is a gunship variant of the C-130. Its' interior is too crowded by autocannons, howitzers, and miniguns to carry a big bomb like that. It's okay though, your education on military hardware is obviously limited to Call of Duty so I don't blame you for not knowing, just try educating yourself in the future before you make yourself look like a fool again.

1. Touche
2. Touche
3. When you said Marines I associated it with spearheads of invasions via ocean, etc. The supposedtobe primary use of marine units. Although the US doesn't really stick to this...
4. Touche sort of? I'm relating things more to an all out AirLand battle between two developed nations. But stealth definitely is an advantage in counter-terrorism/insurgency.
5. AC-130s are the gunship version of the C-130. miscommunication on my part. Oops.
6. Ok, yep.
7. Touche.

I don't understand how there are still "Russia is best" bandwagoners, it really is a bad country
"stop liking what i don't like!"

Guy's he's right
that's why we don't use silencers, there aren't tanks with built in sound suppressors, ghillie suits are outdated and marines don't use them anymore, and now when we send troops somewhere, we give them a friendly phone call first saying "lol, see you in 20"

In case you were wondering, that's sarcasm and you should feel bad, stealth is completely vital nowadays. You send in an AC-130 to drop a bomb, and all it takes is 1 good hit from a SAM to down it. B2 Spirit? They won't know what forgetin' hit em. The AC-130 typically has a crew of 6+, a B2 has a crew of 2. The AC-130 can go 300 mph, the B2 can do mach 1 (roughly 760mph). The AC-130 is loud as stuff AND it's easily detected. The B2 Stealth bomber is difficult to detect AND it's quiet.

So tell me again how stealth isn't necessary.

I want one.
the AC130 and B2 bomber are designed for two completely missions. AC130 is for direct, close-in air support. The B2 is a strategic nuclear bomber. stop comparing apples and oranges.


PS if a B2 was flying at the same height as an AC130 would in combat conditions it'd get shot down by AAA fire anyways.

PPS tanks don't use suppressors? the explosive force released when the shell is fired is too powerful. the germans use this for artillery training grounds but that's literally the smallest they could build it.
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wtf the germans are mounting giant roosters on their artillery


hell, there's even a SONG for the me-109 - http://youtu.be/kmbZPzLmVTY



your education on military hardware is obviously limited to Call of Duty so I don't blame you for not knowing, just try educating yourself in the future before you make yourself look like a fool again.
Oh my
I'm so damn sorry
everyone stop everything
I put a loving A in front of C-130 by force of habit

I assume you're also aware that within the AC-130 'class,' there are sub-classes dedicated to different loadouts?

And just for the record:
☺I don't, nor have I ever played CoD.
☺I go shooting once a month with a group of 30 retired vets / currently enlisted soldiers. 5 of them have worked with C-130s. I don't base my knowledge on ANYTHING from video games. I might LEARN about it, but I never cite a video game, I do more background research first prior to that, whether by asking others or figuring it out myself through research.
☺You must be fun at parties. If someone says M13, do you walk up to them, stick your chest out and shout "ITS M14 N00B!"?
☺forget you.


stop comparing apples and oranges.

PPS tanks don't use suppressors? the explosive force released when the shell is fired is too powerful.
reference for the sake of an brown townogy, apples and oranges is what I wanted: loud vs quiet bombers

PPS yeah they do, I specifically said not for combat because of their bulk for now



That last image is a newer concept by german military for a tank cannon suppressor.


hell, there's even a SONG for the me-109 - http://youtu.be/kmbZPzLmVTY



umm there is no me109. you mean the bf109?

umm there is no me109. you mean the bf109?
Messerschmitt Bf 109

It could be both Me-109 and Bf-109.

its bf109. no one ever refers to it as me109