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That didn't address my statement. I stand by it. Even in other countries where women are viewed as lesser, women who believe they are undervalued by society are dumb, crazy bitches.

That makes no sense.

If you have less rights, you are undervalued by your society. By all means, stand by your point. As long as you acknowledge it's wrong.

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That makes no sense.

If you have less rights, you are undervalued by your society. By all means, stand by your point. As long as you acknowledge it's wrong.
How does it not make sense? It's not an issue of correct or incorrect, it's an opinion. I think that people who fight for a societal shift are dumb and crazy. The people who aren't dumb and crazy are the people who silently work towards that social shift.

How does it not make sense?

because if a group has less rights, they are by definition undervalued
they don't see that group as having enough value to have equal rights...

It's not an issue of correct or incorrect, it's an opinion. I think that people who fight for a societal shift are dumb and crazy. The people who aren't dumb and crazy are the people who silently work towards that social shift.

just like everyone in the civil rights movement of the 1960s were dumb and crazy?

because if a group has less rights, they are by definition undervalued
they don't see that group as having enough value to have equal rights...
I didn't say they aren't, I said if they believe they are.

just like everyone in the civil rights movement of the 1960s were dumb and crazy?
Every single last one of 'em.

I didn't say they aren't, I said if they believe they are.

So if they think they are undervalued when they really are undervalued, they're crazy.

MAKES A LOT OF SENSE 2 ME

oh jeez, don't tell me you're an MRA

most of the actual problems men deal with stem from women's issues

i.e., men being viewed as unsuitable single parents is because women are viewed as the caretakers of the family and "belong in the kitchen"

The solution is not to reverse the roles, but abolish their existence entirely. It's Feminism because women are actually oppressed. Please point out a country in which men are actually the "lesser gender" and maybe I'll see your perspective.

believe it or not the US is not the only place where feminism exists

women have less rights in other countries and actually viewed as lesser

It's more of the fact that we don't need Feminism in the US anymore. There are 0 laws that reduce the rights of women.

The issue is, the value of something is ascertained from the social structure. Since I'm looking at it from the American social structure, I value women more highly than the Saudi Arabians do. So from my position it's easy to say they're undervalued. However, from inside the Saudi Arabian social structure, it doesn't work that way. The women are given one value by the society, and if they think they are above that value they are crazy.

Let me put it this way. In America, a cookie is worth approximately $1. That same cookie in the jungles of Uganda is going to be worth more, say $5. From the Ugandan's perspective, cookies are undervalued by Americans because they're willing to pay $5 for that cookie where we're only willing to pay $1. But, does that make the Ugandans objectively correct? It doesn't, because the value of such things are set by the society.

It's the same way with women, if people think women are only worth so much in one area, but different people think women are worth more in another area, that doesn't make women objectively undervalued in the area where they are worth less.
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"3. Major in women’s studies
This one is a no-brainer. If you don’t agree you’re probably an ignorant, loveist, sensible, slut-shaming mysogynist cis white male and possibly a rapist."

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How does it not make sense? It's not an issue of correct or incorrect, it's an opinion. I think that people who fight for a societal shift are dumb and crazy. The people who aren't dumb and crazy are the people who silently work towards that social shift.

ok i'll dissect what you said

Any group of people that thinks they are undervalued by society is populated by dumb, crazy bitches, regardless of whether or not they think they are better than anyone else.

This is your thesis. You're stating that anyone who believes that they are treated as lesser than another group of people is stupid, regardless of A: They're right or wrong, or B: They want to be equal or superior.

Black people, during the times of the Jim Crow laws, are stupid for thinking they're lesser, despite the fact that they were segregated from white people. People had the right to deny colored people from services or employment, just because they were of a different skin color.

But, they're stupid for thinking they're treated as lesser.

Gay people, during our times, are stupid for thinking that they're being treated as lesser, despite the fact families are disowning them because of their loveuality and that they don't have the right to marry their partners.

But, they're stupid for thinking they're treated as lesser.

Women are stupid for thinking that they're treated as lesser, despite the fact that they are paid less than men for the same amount of work and not having the rights to vote or drive in certain countries.

But, they're stupid for thinking they're treated as lesser.

right

right???



The people who aren't dumb and crazy are the people who silently work towards that social shift.

when has silence achieved anything



It's more of the fact that we don't need Feminism in the US anymore. There are 0 laws that reduce the rights of women.

Maybe you don't see it because you're male, but women are still treated differently nowadays. Women are still loveually harassed, but men are rarely. Women aren't catcalling you as you're walking in public, are they? Yes, this is loveual harassment, as, without your permission, you're being viewed as loveual object, which may make you feel uncomfortable. In addition, people shame girls for dressing up "like sluts." Why should a women be told how to dress? It's her body, so she has the right to do what she wants with it. That, mind you, does not warrant people to harass someone. Also, Femininity is also viewed as a negative thing. Men can't be "emotional," or express interest in girly things, but women are allowed to play sports and do other masculine activities without social stigma. Have you ever walked into school or work wearing a skirt? Doubt it. Have you seen a girl wear a suit, or perhaps a flannel or jeans? Most likely.

Not having rights is not the only form of oppression.



The issue is, the value of something is ascertained from the social structure. Since I'm looking at it from the American social structure, I value women more highly than the Saudi Arabians do. So from my position it's easy to say they're undervalued. However, from inside the Saudi Arabian social structure, it doesn't work that way. The women are given one value by the society, and if they think they are above that value they are crazy.

Let me put it this way. In America, a cookie is worth approximately $1. That same cookie in the jungles of Uganda is going to be worth more, say $5. From the Ugandan's perspective, cookies are undervalued by Americans because they're willing to pay $5 for that cookie where we're only willing to pay $1. But, does that make the Ugandans objectively correct? It doesn't, because the value of such things are set by the society.

It's the same way with women, if people think they're only worth so much in one area, but they think they're worth more in another area, that doesn't make them objectively undervalued in the area where they are worth less.

The point is, it's not just to treat a human differently because of their love. A cookie cannot express human emotions. It doesn't care that it's undervalued. A woman, on the other hand, is treated as a lesser man because of something out of their control. It's fine that there are cultural differences between the way people are treated, but the difference between people should not be so vast it's dehumanizing for the lesser half. Do you really think it's fair to have a social structure like that?

by the way, comparing a person to a cookie is technically objectification but what can i say

It's more of the fact that we don't need Feminism in the US anymore. There are 0 laws that reduce the rights of women.

anti-abortion laws
lack of laws against paying someone less if they're female (I didn't think this was really a thing but it apparently is)

these aren't laws, but
gender roles in general
religions that view women as less than men

The issue is, the value of something is ascertained from the social structure.

i was referring to their value and perception of their value within the society, not multiple societies
I thought you were too, but I guess not.

Why's everyone on that forum post saying "in?" What does it mean?

1.anti-abortion laws
2.lack of laws against paying someone less if they're female (I didn't think this was really a thing but it apparently is)

1. Most women are against abortion anyway, guys have little to do with this.

2. I don't think this is a thing.

This is your thesis. You're stating that anyone who believes that they are treated as lesser than another group of people is stupid, regardless of A: They're right or wrong, or B: They want to be equal or superior.
You've already got my thesis wrong. My thesis is that anyone who believes that they are treated as lesser than the value given to them by society is stupid, regardless of anything.

when has silence achieved anything
Here's an example: Meg Whitman. Meg Whitman is a business executive and politician. She has smashed through any and any "glass ceiling" in existence and shown people that women can do things that 99.9% of men can not.

Here's another example: Barrack Obama. You can't tell me that there isn't still racial prejudice, and a black man becoming president really makes an example out of the things blacks can do. Granted, him being a horrible president doesn't help the cause, but that's kind of irrelevant.

I didn't mean silent as in idle. I meant silent as in using actions to make change instead of words. Telling someone you're better than they think won't change anything, showing them will change everything.

The point is, it's not just to treat a human differently because of their love. A cookie cannot express human emotions. It doesn't care that it's undervalued. A woman, on the other hand, is treated as a lesser man because of something out of their control. It's fine that there are cultural differences between the way people are treated, but the difference between people should not be so vast it's dehumanizing for the lesser half.

by the way, comparing a person to a cookie is technically objectification but what can i say
I don't view humans as any more important than any other tool. Go ahead and say I'm edgy or whatever, but I don't. Arguing that humans have infinite value because of their emotions is just about the weakest argument you could make towards me. Emotions are a dime a dozen, and I couldn't care less how happy other people are. If they wanna be happier, then they need to make themselves happier, not sit around on blogs and post about how shiftily they're treated. If you hate your job, leave it and find a new one. If you hate your social status, do something to change it. Don't sit around and complain.