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what are you talking about?

You don't see a way of falsifying the big bang theory because you don't study it. I just gave you two reasons and you're giving me stuffty rebuttals.

all hubble's law says is that everything is moving away from us. an explosions isn't the only thing that can cause that

Have you been paying attention to any of what Sandwich and I have been posting for the past seven pages?

Of course an explosion isn't the only thing that could cause the universe to expand. But when you couple Hubble's law with all of our cosmological knowledge, the big bang is the best explanation for the source of expansion.

"an explosions isn't the only thing that can cause that"

No loving stuff. But it's the best explanation based on what we know about the universe.

EDIT: Although like Sandwich said below, the big bang wasn't a literal explosion. It was an event that caused the universe to begin expanding, brown townogous to an explosion.
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all hubble's law says is that everything is moving away from us. an explosions isn't the only thing that can cause that
The Big Bang Theory is essentially a model that predicts the history of how the Universe formed, and it doesn't necessarily say that an /explosion/ caused an expansion, since that means a very specific thing in terms of gas pressure and chemical reaction. All the Big Bang Theory suggests is that the Universe has been expanding. Hubble's Law is a testament to the predictive qualities of the model.


Some people prefer magic lol

Some people prefer magic lol
well I personally prefer psychic powers, so eeeexxxxcccuse me.

So you're confident, in the face of a possibility that it might be wrong.

That's faith geniuses. Confidence is used on things that can be proven.


So you're confident, in the face of a possibility that it might be wrong.

That's faith geniuses. Confidence is used on things that can be proven.


faith - strong belief or trust in someone or something
confidence - the feeling of being certain that something will happen or that something is true

I don't see the difference between them in this context. You have belief in something, you are certain something is true.

faith - strong belief or trust in someone or something
confidence - the feeling of being certain that something will happen or that something is true

They are extremely similar.
Too similar


So you're confident, in the face of a possibility that it might be wrong.

Confidence is used on things that can be proven.
We can assume that there's /some/ explanation that perfectly explains how reality works, but you can never prove one because there's absolutely no way to eliminate all uncertainty. There's tons of things where you can be confident that your model or explanation will predict something correctly, but can't be definitely proven otherwise.

I've already explained why confidence and faith are different things, and I'm /confident/ that you can scroll up and read it yourself.

The only point that religious people should be making is that there is no way to ever prove a properly set up religion wrong, and the only point as a reaction should be that this is not a reason to value belief over what has been and continues to be an accurate model of the workings of the universe.
IMO.
All of this argument cannot achieve anything.
If the argument could be resolved then it would have already. Belief and superstition are so deeply ingrained that they are impossible to unseat. Similarly, the beauty of science is its ability to rewrite itself to be the best possible explanation of all observable phenomena. Essentially, any valid point against it will be duly recognized and incorporated. It is simply a matter of evaluating how religion and science should interact in social/legal settings.

So what you're left with is an argument over freedom vs freedom, and then there is the inevitable "my right to punch you in the nose ends at the tip of your nose."
While you can have street preachers and references to deities, you can't have them within a public infrastructure. The introduction of religion WILL cause unnecessary argument, anger, conflict. Historically it always has, in just the same way as any kind of oppression of religion. However, not incorporating religion into systems clearly otherwise directed is not oppression. It is only the case if there is an active contradiction of religion. There is no active contradiction of religion by stating what has been found under the premise of science.

So you're confident, in the face of a possibility that it might be wrong.

That's faith geniuses. Confidence is used on things that can be proven.
According to your definitions, everything is faith. The only way to prove anything is by observation, and observation is the sole root of all science. Any postulation is an offered explanation of things that are observable. The way that science differs from religion is in its beautiful step-by-step base.

Too similar
What your doing is using one definition of faith and then directly equating it to another definition of faith. Sure, a definition of faith is just strong belief, but the definition of faith you need to be using is the one that specifies that there is no objective evidence.

Have you been paying attention to any of what Sandwich and I have been posting for the past seven pages?
unless you quoted me, no
Of course an explosion isn't the only thing that could cause the universe to expand. But when you couple Hubble's law with all of our cosmological knowledge, the big bang is the best explanation for the source of expansion.
"an explosions isn't the only thing that can cause that"
No loving stuff. But it's the best explanation based on what we know about the universe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
The Big Bang Theory is essentially a model that predicts the history of how the Universe formed, and it doesn't necessarily say that an /explosion/ caused an expansion, since that means a very specific thing in terms of gas pressure and chemical reaction. All the Big Bang Theory suggests is that the Universe has been expanding. Hubble's Law is a testament to the predictive qualities of the model.
thank you for not being a jerk about it
and I understand, so thank you for that too
like I said earlier, I don't actually believe in anything, but I do think the whole big bang theory is the most plausible explanation. it's just that I also think that nothing is (currently) provable to the point where it could actually be said to be fact. you can believe whatever you want, as far as I'm concerned
within reason, of course. I don't think it's reasonable to believe in something like voodoo or actual magic

I do think the whole big bang theory is the most plausible explanation.
That's the best way to view it as a scientific theory.

so i stop reading during page two and think "yeah, there's likely gonna be a religion argument lol" so i skip to the last page and what do you know!

but I do think the whole big bang theory is the most plausible explanation

That's a scientific theory. That's what I've been saying this whole time. You and I are on the same page.

For me, I'm a scientific Christian of no apparent denomination.  Most processes mentioned in the Bible that seem otherwise impossible today I've gone rooting around and come up with my own way of thinking.

-> I believe there is a God, and I believe that it is the God centered in the Bible.
-> I believe that the Earth was at one time swamped at least a couple of miles deep by a massive Flood.
-> I believe in Pangaea (not typical of the average Christian)
-> I believe in the theory of plate tectonics and the movement of continents over the earth's lithosphere
-> I believe in microevolution among species due to breeding "disorders" and adaptation

BUT,

-> I reject the the main theories of evolution (single-celled eukaryotes becoming fish, fish becoming amphibians, amphibians becoming reptiles, reptiles becoming birds, birds becoming mammals, etc) -- Reason: There are hardly any links that would possibly be a bridge between them.  Arguments include Archaeopteryx and other feathered dinosaurs "becoming birds", other species of prehistoric apes that "might" be a "early human".
-> I reject that earth (or anything celestial in the universe) is billions, even millions, of years old. -- Reason: I am not sure how scientists can assume that argon and radiocarbon dating is completely true if they can only see statistics on recent experiments from the past however many years that it has been accepted.  Then they teach everyone that it is scientific law and say that it has nothing to do with faith.
-> I reject the Big Bang, but have yet to come up with a conclusive reason.  This can stand as invalid as far as I'm concerned until I study it more.

So this here (that I posted) is not really a religious argument, it's a science argument as well.