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Vegan master race?

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Author Topic: Vegans are the most dumbest friends I have ever seen  (Read 10540 times)

I know a vegan who refuses to eat meat because animals are treated unethically. That's perfectly fine reasoning, and even better, she isn't in-your-face about it.
She sure has an interesting sense of ethics.
>be a vegan
>claim you care for the animals
>eat only vegetation
>actually care less for the underpaid workers that harvested that food

She sure has an interesting sense of ethics.

I really doubt she gets her food from child labor in Asia or something like that. We live in Ohio, not hard to come by farmers here.

I don't understand how you managed to fumble that argument so badly. It's such an easy argument to make and you started out in the right direction but you just forgeted up the actual argumentative part of it. You didn't dismiss any of their arguments besides to say "that is the most pathetic argument I have ever seen" and "did you not read what I posted?"

>actually care less for the underpaid workers that harvested that food
You've gotta think about what "underpaid" means. Underpaid means the work they do is more valuable than they are being paid for. The actual problem is that farmers are overpaid because the Fed has to force farmers to sell food for a higher price than it's actually worth, otherwise the entire farming industry would collapse because the food is worth less than it costs the farmer to live. So, while being a farmer might not make you as much money as being a doctor, you are being paid very well for the work you do.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2014, 04:05:36 PM by $trinick »

That depends if 1) it's subsidized, and 2) it's unionized.

And again, in Ohio, that may not be the case, but where I live in California, it's not really a rose garden as far as employee treatment in the farming industry.

Subsidies are irrelevant to price supports, and unionization helps negotiate the price support levels but even ununionized farmers benefit from price supports. The government does a whole lot of things to keep farmers alive because the food they farm is worth nothing. They force them to sell it at a higher value than the equilibrium price would be, this is called a price floor or price support. They give the farmers free money for farming, this is called a subsidy. They also take a huge chunk of crops out of the market. They used to just burn it, but people got up in arms about that because there were starving people in the world and they were just wasting food. Now they package that food as what's called commodity food and give it to places like schools and shelters where it can be used to benefit people yet not affect the market. They also legislate the amount of food that farmers are allowed to grow and how often farmers must leave fields to lay fallow before they can use it for growing food again.

The issue is, food is worth way less than we pay for it. If the government stopped doing all these things to increase the price of food, we'd be paying pennies for fruit instead of quarters. The income of farmers would drop extremely drastically, so much so that they wouldn't be able to support themselves. They'd default on the loans they took out to start farming that year (which nearly every farmer does) which would shake the economy. They'd have to sell their farms and their houses to try to move somewhere they can get a job doing something else. As all the farms started to shut down, the food supply would hit a critical low and there wouldn't be enough food to go around and people would start starving. The price would start to rise because of the lack of supply, but it'd take a serious amount of time until people started farming again after they just gave up their farms. During that time, most people wouldn't be able to afford food.

TL;DR: gov keeps people from starving by overpaying farmers.


I think he was referring to food sourced from other countries
We buy a ton of produce from other countries because there's no way we could grow a large supply of fresh produce year round with our country's varying seasons. I haven't looked into specifics but there's bound to be some company is some country that underpays their workers, either harvesters or packagers.

i have a friend whos vegan, im alright with them and their choice as long as they don't try convincing others that eating meat is wrong.

I think he was referring to food sourced from other countries
We buy a ton of produce from other countries because there's no way we could grow a large supply of fresh produce year round with our country's varying seasons. I haven't looked into specifics but there's bound to be some company is some country that underpays their workers, either harvesters or packagers.

Most of our food does come from domestic sources, but you're right we do also import quite a bit. However, most vegans are also fans of fair trade and support products that display their label. Also, for the record, imported food is also subjected to price supports and tariffs on top of that, so while the farm workers themselves might be underpaid, the farm itself isn't.

Also, I believe he was referring specifically to California-grown crops.
And again, in Ohio, that may not be the case, but where I live in California, it's not really a rose garden as far as employee treatment in the farming industry.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2014, 04:51:49 PM by $trinick »

vegans make me feel bad for eating meat, then I think of this comic:





And then I remember I don't care if you don't like it, you're not eating it ♥

edit:
image was ded, got a different one. Also found this:
« Last Edit: March 31, 2014, 05:01:33 PM by AdinX »

If vegans think killing for meat is murder, and prolife people think abortion is murder, doesn't it make sense that they're upset and loud with their ideals. In the same way one of us might object to actual murder?


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just the website doesn't allow hotlinking