So Albuquerque cops shot and killed a homeless man today.

[IkeTheGeneric]

so you have no problem with other people's opinions unless they're incorrect in your view? That is your opinion, and mine was different, making it trash?

No, you're just incorrect. Don't go talking stuff if you don't know what you're talking about in the first place.

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[Judge]

no you idiot, i saidplease read

you called my opinion trash, yes, I understand

Your difference in opinion is based on something that is false. If it is false it cannot be taken as an opinion. Only a falsity. You're not differing. You're simply wrong.

My opinion is he shouldn't have taken out the knife in the first place, that is not false, is it?

[ZombiLoin]

My opinion is he shouldn't have taken out the knife in the first place, that is not false, is it?

GJ grasping at straws. You changed your opinion to this on page 6. You never said that "he shouldn't have taken out the knife in the first place" before that post. And you were wrong on almost every level in all of your posts before that.

Get the forget out.

[IkeTheGeneric]

My opinion is he shouldn't have taken out the knife in the first place, that is not false, is it?

It wouldn't matter if he took out a knife or not, this was in albuquerque and the cops are corrupt as stuff.

The officers intended to kill him right from the start, otherwise they wouldn't handled it way differently.

Go read the loving article

[Crispy_]

you called my opinion trash, yes, I understand

no you idiot, i said

i don't mind people expressing opinions. but you were expressing totally incorrect trash.

please read

imagine this, im walking with some idiot
"hey do you want to go swimming?"
*no because water does not exist*
"what? no it's right there."
*NO ITS MY OPINION WATER DOES NOT EXIST OK???*
"but it's just right there"
*NONONONO*
see what i'm dealing with?

[Qwepir]

My opinion is he shouldn't have taken out the knife in the first place, that is not false, is it?

Your opinion was that the police were justified in shooting him because he had a knife. Completely ignoring (whoa theres that word again) that the man was disoriented by a flashbang, too far away to be an immediate threat with a knife, was not making any threatening motions, and that the police had nonlethal equipment (a beanbag shotgun at least) to take care of him with. Should he have pulled out the knife? No, he shouldn't have. But should the police have killed him for it? Abso-loving-lutely not. The police are the ones at fault here.

[Judge]

I'm sorry everyone, but I have other matters more important than protecting myself from ~5 people, if you like, we can continue this argument at a later date, sorry for starting this argument and not being able to hold true, but I have a thing to attend

[Lockebox]

Well you didn't make it sound like a "holier than thou, so i wont' argue" post.

Come back later if you want to lose another argument

[Aces]

I think the term opinion should be off limits to like half the forum.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but if it is a baseless, misinformed statement that has been proved to be invalid, it is wrong.

[Harm94]

this, plus if you were in that situation and some dude pulls out a knife and you got a gun, you'd shoot.
i would.

Police Procedure 101

Man pulls knife -> you order him to comply
man fails to comply -> order him again and threaten to use force
man fails to comply -> taze/baton/spray
man fails to comply/charge ->shoot to wound/kill

Basically you don't go around shooting first.

[XR-7]

Police Procedure 101

Man pulls knife -> you order him to comply
man fails to comply -> order him again and threaten to use force
man fails to comply -> taze/baton/spray
man fails to comply/charge ->shoot to wound/kill

Basically you don't go around shooting first.

If a guy pulled a knife/gun/other weapon on me, I'd aim for the head first thing.

[Harm94]

If a guy pulled a knife/gun/other weapon on me, I'd aim for the head first thing.

Are you man enough to pull the trigger? Are you willing to live the rest of your life knowing that you took a life, thinking maybe there was another way that situation could have ended. You don't even know the guy and what he is going through or what he is thinking. In law enforcement don't go in with the mindset that you want to kill someone, the goal to slow things down and end things as bloodlessly as possible.

[SWAT One]

are you going to attempt to change a law that allows someone who pulls out a weapon on you, and you are not allowed to kill him?

If you have a weapon pulled on you, you aren't legally allowed to fire/stab  unless they make a move to attack.  If he's disoriented by the police's own weapon, then it's pretty evident that he would not have proper judgement at the time.

What happened here seemed like a mix of murder, negligent discharge of a firearm, and assault.  Nothing could really justify the bean bag gun trick.  If you flashbang him and shoot him 6 times, it's pretty clear that he won't just walk it off and fight you.

God damn dem cops are dumb.

[XR-7]

Are you man enough to pull the trigger? Are you willing to live the rest of your life knowing that you took a life, thinking maybe there was another way that situation could have ended. You don't even know the guy and what he is going through or what he is thinking. In law enforcement don't go in with the mindset that you want to kill someone, the goal to slow things down and end things as bloodlessly as possible.

I think I could, especially with my life or other people's lives on the brink of ending.  Either way, someone will die, and I'd want the threat to be the one that does.

[Crispy_]

I think I could, especially with my life or other people's lives on the brink of ending.  Either way, someone will die, and I'd want the threat to be the one that does.

And now I'm sitting here thinking "holy stuff, thank god you're not a cop."