Author Topic: Seattle raises minimum wage to $15  (Read 4018 times)

I'd love to have a minimum wage that high (but it'd suck in the long run)
it's only 7.25 here

I'd love to have a minimum wage that high (but it'd suck in the long run)
it's only 7.25 here
And this is good for you because you actually have a place to work at :)

Economists almost universally agree that the existence of minimum wage is a bad thing.
Better than the days the days where companies could legally pay you nothing with the mentality being "Don't like my poor work conditions, stuffty pay, and no work mans comp? Well to bad, you are easily replaceable."

seattle's about to have the highest unemployment and inflation rates in the country :P

the ironic thing is that the uneducated people supporting the increase in minimum wage don't understand economics enough to know that this isn't a good idea.

There's also young people who need jobs, period. Raising the minimum wage dashes employment rates almost every time. It's nice and idealistic to think that money comes from nowhere and you can just force businesses to pay their employees double wage for the good of everyone.
the money is there
its just being spent by some rich starfish for a forth yacht in the caribbean

the money is there
its just being spent by some rich starfish for a forth yacht in the caribbean
You're thinking about this wrong. Sure, a giant corporation like mcdonalds would not suffer a bit from paying their employees more. But think about smaller companies. Also, non-for-profit organizations. If you hire two interns to work at your company for a year, and suddenly you have to pay them twice as much as mandated by law, you're only going to hire one intern next year. Or, you would fire one of the interns now.

Everyone in favor of raising the minimum wage that I've seen constantly references big fast food companies, without saying anything about companies with much slimmer profit margins. forget that, if you want to make fast food restaurants pay their employees more, then pass a law about that and don't make a sweeping legislative mandate that affects everyone.

the money is there
its just being spent by some rich starfish for a forth yacht in the caribbean
Okay, let me do the math for you really quick:

McDonalds alone employs 1.7 million people. At minimum wage (for estimation let's use $7.25 per hour) that's easily $13 million that is going towards raising the wages of all of the McDonalds employees. Now, that sounds like nothing compared to the money McDonalds gets in profits every year, but you have to consider the fact that it is a franchise. I.E., a single person buys a building and runs a McDonalds under McDonalds' branding.

Now, these 1.7 million people are the restaurant employees and the businessmen who actually run the franchise itself, plus all the people they employ for their Ronald McDonald House Charities, etc. It would be silly to think that there are 50 people employed in each of McDonalds' 34,000 restaurant locations, and many people work part-time at McDonalds, so 20 people working at full-time is a much more realistic figure. Each employee is paid a base yearly wage of around $15k (40 hour work week, 52 weeks in a year). Meaning that  my guess is that it takes $301,600 a year to pay everyone who works at your McDonalds.

Now, if you raise the minimum wage to $15/h, the amount you're paying out to your employees is more like $624,000. Even if you're a fairly wealthy person who owns a McDonalds, this is a massive financial issue for you. The kind that puts you out of business. This means that the owner has to either sacrifice most of their profits to keep their restaurant crew employed, or fire a bunch of people. Which means that you end up with 50% of the people who actually /had/ jobs now left unemployed.

(These are not real figures, they do not account for tax or inventory costs or anything like that IRL. By those standards I'm probably giving a conservative(fairer) estimation than what's actually true. The point is that raising the minimum wage by a factor of 2 is really really bad for people who own businesses)
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I hate tipping lol. I feel I'm not getting a real service just because someone is carrying my food to me. I would prefer walking it to my table myself.

And I refuse to tip any pizza delivery that charged me a delivery charge.
I agree. The idea of paying by percentage is stupid too. I'm supposed to pay the server more just because the food costed more, even though it's the same amount of work for them to carry it out?

Minnesota does require paying minimum wage regardless of tips, though

while the minimum wage needs to be raised some to account for inflation it doesnt need to be $15 at all. im sure any economist that isnt being paid off could tell you the massive stock piles of cash that the corporations and the 0.1% have are the issue
it isnt helping anything, all its doing is taking money out of the economy
i dont think thats the issue at all


I agree. The idea of paying by percentage is stupid too. I'm supposed to pay the server more just because the food costed more, even though it's the same amount of work for them to carry it out?
no, you're supposed to pay so that they can afford to live

Why do you think that?
i agree with you completly
literally doubling the minimum wage will help the workers in the short run, yeah, but all it really does is hurt the small businesses
personally i think there needs to be some sort of tax for the corporations and 0.1%
if they arent gonna spend it it should really be given to the people that could use it more

no, you're supposed to pay so that they can afford to live
You're missing my point

The reason we're expected to tip is because in about half the states employers can pay as little as $2.13 an hour, and expect customers to pay the rest

I agree. The idea of paying by percentage is stupid too. I'm supposed to pay the server more just because the food costed more, even though it's the same amount of work for them to carry it out?

Minnesota does require paying minimum wage regardless of tips, though
Tipping based on percentage makes perfect sense. More people = more food to carry out = higher tip. More expensive food = classier restaurant = higher tip.

while the minimum wage needs to be raised some to account for inflation it doesnt need to be $15 at all. im sure any economist that isnt being paid off could tell you the massive stock piles of cash that the corporations and the 0.1% have are the issue
it isnt helping anything, all its doing is taking money out of the economy
You're mixing socioeconomic justice with actual economics. Don't do that. Classical economics is by far the biggest branch of economics, and that branch of economics is the branch of economics that says "No, don't regulate industry. Don't have a minimum wage. Don't force employers to pay for healthcare" and so on. The massive stockpiles of cash that the 0.1% have are not the issue. Your average McDonalds worker lives a much comfier life than a similarly unskilled worker a hundred years ago where the cash was more balanced. The US economy is growing which means that while the 99% may have a smaller percentage of the pie than previously, that small percentage is of a larger absolute size than the previously higher percentage provided.