Author Topic: Guy who gunned down several people in California posted this video beforehand.  (Read 10672 times)

not sure what you're trying to say??
It's stupid.

Are you trying to say that we should ban guns, but don't ban guns?
We should make background checks a thing. Because people that are criminals are able to buy them legally (the post is worded like forget).


It's stupid.
We should make background checks a thing. Because people that are criminals are able to buy them legally (the post is worded like forget).
Um, you can't own guns if you have a felony. I'm pretty sure they already do background checks, criminals use something called the "Black Market" to get guns.

One of the boys he stabbed went to my school.

i should've made a better argument but ehhhnngnnnnh

First of all, the "take away the guns" method is a matter of averting disasters via prevention methods.

Your implication that the same logic must apply for "punishing murderers" is flawed, because that deals with what you do once the crime has been committed, not how to prevent it in the first place.

Okay, I guess this is a fair point.
Maybe there's something wrong with this point, but I'm not looking into it further for now.

The logic behind "banning guns" is to prevent gun-related crimes by limiting access to firearms in the hopes that people with harmful intentions won't shoot up places, but the critical flaw behind that kind of law is the fact that black markets will always exist and continue to offer weapons, and the people with truly harmful intentions will seek them out, and go to rampage on populations of unarmed law-abiding citizens.

Okay, but... by your logic, why ban anything to prevent something? Your argument boils down to "There's this tiny percentage of people that will still get the banned item anyway, so don't ban it".

If law-abiding citizens are armed, then any attempted assault by a madman with a gun is easily extinguished by other armed citizens.

Yeah, but then anyone can turn on anyone else. It's a double-edged sword.
Arguing from anecdote is probably not the best choice here, but nobody I've seen carries their gun with them (excluding police officers and such), they usually keep it in the car or something, offering no extra protection.
Actually, if you kept guns in your house, if someone came in and shot you, you would have no time to reach your gun unless it was literally right there beside you. But most people don't leave their guns out in the open, they put them in cabinets and drawers.

Laws that ban dangerous and addictive substances and regulate useful prescription drugs are good because they prepare society against potential drug-related disasters.

"But there will always be people that get drugs, so you shouldn't ban them".

Laws that permit average citizens to arm themselves are good because they prepare society and families against potential gun-related disasters.

With many gun laws, families that want nothing to do with gun-related crime are unable to sufficiently protect themselves.

There are other methods of defense besides guns. And guns provide a larger distance for someone to kill, so being limited to melee weapons would help those being attacked.
Even then, if everyone has guns, it makes it that much easier to just turn around and kill someone.

It's stupid.
We should make background checks a thing. Because people that are criminals are able to buy them legally (the post is worded like forget).
I am qualified to say that we do background checks. In California we have a 10 day waiting period for a background check. All firearm's have to be registered to a user, if someone dies and we find the weapon, then we can find out who it belongs to. It is prohibited by federal law to have an unregistered firearm anywhere in the United States. All lost and stolen firearms must be reported to authorities.

i should've made a better argument but ehhhnngnnnnh

Okay, I guess this is a fair point.
Maybe there's something wrong with this point, but I'm not looking into it further for now.

Okay, but... by your logic, why ban anything to prevent something? Your argument boils down to "There's this tiny percentage of people that will still get the banned item anyway, so don't ban it".

Yeah, but then anyone can turn on anyone else. It's a double-edged sword.
Arguing from anecdote is probably not the best choice here, but nobody I've seen carries their gun with them (excluding police officers and such), they usually keep it in the car or something, offering no extra protection.
Actually, if you kept guns in your house, if someone came in and shot you, you would have no time to reach your gun unless it was literally right there beside you. But most people don't leave their guns out in the open, they put them in cabinets and drawers.

"But there will always be people that get drugs, so you shouldn't ban them".

There are other methods of defense besides guns. And guns provide a larger distance for someone to kill, so being limited to melee weapons would help those being attacked.
Even then, if everyone has guns, it makes it that much easier to just turn around and kill someone.
Because of people like you I believe that criminal justice classes should be mandatory. You can legally carry a taser and a can of pepper spray without a permit. Some of your points are pretty spot on though.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2014, 06:00:48 PM by Harm94 »

Because of people like you I believe that criminal justice classes should be mandatory. You can legally carry a taser and a can of pepper spray without a permit. Some of your points are pretty spot on though.

Uh, I don't think I'd be against owning pepper spray. I'm not sure that a normal citizen should be able to own a taser, though...
Not sure where this fits into the whole argument, either.

Apparently people are screaming "NO GUNS" and pulling the race card about this. (then again I heard it on Fox News)

Uh, I don't think I'd be against owning pepper spray. I'm not sure that a normal citizen should be able to own a taser, though...
Not sure where this fits into the whole argument, either.
Tasers can't kill. All those guys that have supposedly been killed by Tasers had drugs in their system. Can they still be used for bad things? Yes, but can any item. I could stab pencil or screw drier into you, smash your skull with a sledge hammer, I could push you off a ledge, I could build a zip gun, drop a toaster into your bath tub, etc.

The idea of banning firearm ownership from citizens would only stop a small fraction of firearm related homicides. That small fraction includes domestic violence, a family member killing another, a jealous lover killing in the heat of passion, jealous lover killing his boyfriend/girlfriend for sleeping with another person. You would stop some homicides as well, but not too many.

The common firearm related homicides are gang shootings. One such example, a member of the Black Geurilla family see's a rival from Mexican Mafia. The Mexican dude is flashing his colors in Blood Territory, so the Guerilla family dude walks up to mafia dude and where they get into loud argument. Mexican dude pulls out a gun and shoots the black dude in the chest and takes off running. The handgun was later recovered by police in a near bye dumpster, the serial number was filed off. Most likely the handgun was either stolen or came off the black market. There were some prints, but the killer is long gone. The case is filed away and forgotten.

Crazy people gunning down tons of people out in public are small niche compared to gang related homicdes.

Also do you know what all those drugs on the street fund? This stuff:




All that weed, cocaine, methamphetamine that people buy is used to fund the black market trade of guns, human trafficking, and slave trade. Not a single one of those things you can buy off a shelf like bread.

Also did you know that in Iraq, citizens are allowed to have fully automatic AK-47s. However, US soldiers let those civilians keep them.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2014, 08:23:03 PM by Harm94 »

i traffic humans right off the store shelves what are you talking about

Exactly, that's why "ban these certain drugs" doesn't work, because there will always be means by which people will get those banned drugs.

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funfact: It's not against the law for a woman to be topless and shirtless in public.
This.

The truth is if all women started doing this people would stop giving a stuff.

Tasers are fully capable of stopping your heart if not used with discretion

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nice, I already said that was a pretty terrible (probably not even) argument

nice, I already said that was a pretty terrible (probably not even) argument
I know. That doesn't make it not funny.