Should students be protected when acting in self-defense?

[Swat 3]

I don't know if this is in itself a thing in some schools, but from the few fights we have had in middle school and in the high school right next to us (the school I am, in fact, going to), I've gathered that both parties, regardless who threw the first punch or "who started it", were suspended.


Should students be protected from suspension or being expelled if they protect themselves?

DISCUSS.
also talk about zero-tolerance and how strict schools are

I know, middle of summer vacation for most of us, but let us talk about it.

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[querty67]

Fights break out at my school too often over an harmless word which actually leaves our school with zero tolerance of throwing a punch but the school is changing due to the fact that the student defending themselves gets a harsh punishment for trying not to get injured and I've seen too many fights go horrible for the victim

[Nonnel]

self-defense should always be protected

[childofdarkness016]

self-defense should always be protected

This. Zero tolerance sounds nice, but it's horribly executed and easily punishes something that shouldn't be.

[danisaac5]

Yes they should. Lets face it, would you rather fight back to avoid injury, but face suspension, or let yourself get beaten the forget up? Its a no-brainer.

[childofdarkness016]

Yes they should. Lets face it, would you rather fight back to avoid injury, but face suspension, or let yourself get beaten the forget up? Its a no-brainer.

well if i were thinking ahead i'd probably let myself get beat up because suspension is not something i want to face

But since I have gotten in trouble for self-defense, I think that goes to show that my personality is a bit too impulsive for that. :S

But some students would not want to face suspension is my point.

[Swat 3]

well if i were thinking ahead i'd probably let myself get beat up because suspension is not something i want to face

But since I have gotten in trouble for self-defense, I think that goes to show that my personality is a bit too impulsive for that. :S

But some students would not want to face suspension is my point.

I always do the three punches rule.
or the two annoyance rule in the case of my brother.

but either way, the first time I take it because I probably deserved it.
second one you had your fun now gtfo
third one you better start running monday i do ko (not accurate representation)

[bejacks]

I think this rule is fine the way it is. In most cases, the parents of the child who was defending themselves would probably be understanding about the issue and would probably show some sympathy for the child.

Also if you get suspended, you pretty much get a few days off, so, that's a pretty good deal In my eyes. The only problem with this depends on the school. Some schools won't let you make-up the work you missed from the days you were gone, but some will.

[mus]

self-defense should always be protected

[BluetoothBoy]

I think this should be taken into account, but there's an issue with it; it's often not clear (at least to the person doing the suspending) who actually started. People lie, back up their friends, or betray others in situations like that. So I can kinda see why both parties are punished, as unfair as that may be.

[Jaxx]

basically, the only reason it currently stands that schools have zero-tolerance policies, is because it's basically expected that whoever started the fight is in a position of power over the other student and could manage to push the blame on them with no resistance. that and the schools don't actually have the ability to verify anyone's story because kids are well known little stuffs.

[mus]

how i fight
step 1. hit the person in somewhere that doesn't hurt.
step 2. hit them again but you're doing nothing so it's worthless.
step 3. hurt yourself hitting the person.
step 4. run away crying (this step is optional)

[Flatflyer]

step 4. run away crying (this step is optional)

[DrenDran]

Zero Tolerance laws don't actually do much to help the situation.
They're just another thing supported by Soccer Moms who have no idea what they're talking about.

[Headcrab Zombie]

My high school had a zero tolerance policy for being in a fight. If someone starts a fight with you, even if you don't retaliate, don't do anything, just stand there and take it, you got punished just as much as the other guy. The school had a program where a few days during the summer, the to-be seniors showed the to-be freshman around, got them used to and comfortable with everything, etc. Some of them would actually tell the freshman "if someone starts a fight with you, don't hold back, fight back however much you want, because you'll get in the same amount of trouble either way"

Zero-tolerance, at least the way my high school executed it, did the total opposite of what they think it does