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Does it suck to you?

Yeah.
41 (55.4%)
I'm neutral.
20 (27%)
No.
13 (17.6%)

Total Members Voted: 74

Author Topic: Why does the United States education system suck so much?  (Read 8765 times)

I would be much more interested in school if they actually did more interesting stuff in it
also if they got rid of homework.
forget homework.
I go home to actually do my own stuff not have to do more stuff that you couldn't fit in to your class.

Homework is largely to make you realize that what you think is your own time is not your own time, it's time that could and should be used for work. If you work well and fast, you'll still have some time to yourself, but if you don't it's going to bite you in the ass.

my biggest complaint with school is the lack of money they get
especially compared to the absolutely ridiculous budget for the military. if we spent a NORMAL amount of money on the military and spent what we saved there on things that actually need that money, I feel like the whole country would be in a much better shape

I also don't understand why it's gotta be done at 8:00 in the morning but whatever

My issue is that they don't give you all relevant equations on math/science/engineering tests. Like for real, I understand that if you want to point your career in those directions that you will probably want to memorize those equations, but there is no realistic scenario where you will need the equation and not be able to obtain it. Furthermore, you learn equations by using them.

The only reason I can think of why they don't let you have the equations on those sorts of tests is because it would make the tests astoundingly easy, and the last thing we want is for children to realize that the technical aspects of STEM fields are not overly difficult.

Teachers should get background checks cus some of them are loving insane

idk i like my highschool. i'm taking chem and Intro to engineering design. we get to use CAD on $1K laptops
most teachers are cool and we're getting new tech. they're dumping the macs and getting PC's, they're getting iPads tho for half the school, they're building the new elementary closer to the middle and highschool.

also so far the best thing this year is that they're removed the asbestos from the underground in the highschool.

my biggest complaint with school is the lack of money they get
especially compared to the absolutely ridiculous budget for the military. if we spent a NORMAL amount of money on the military and spent what we saved there on things that actually need that money, I feel like the whole country would be in a much better shape

I also don't understand why it's gotta be done at 8:00 in the morning but whatever
Like I said, can't just throw money at something and except it to improve. You can buy buy new desks, books, pencils, paper, and upgrade those aging computers. What it doesn't do is make better teachers.

I think that only people who use the public school system should have to pay the taxes for it, in contrast to everybody. Homeschoolers, college students, and the elderly shouldnt have to pay to put other people's kids through school (especially when most don't even take it seriously).

I think that only people who use the public school system should have to pay the taxes for it, in contrast to everybody. Homeschoolers, college students, and the elderly shouldnt have to pay to put other people's kids through school (especially when most don't even take it seriously).
Everybody should be their own island. No taxes. No society.

Like I said, can't just throw money at something and expect it to improve.
well yeah you can. that's how, like, everything works. if a school has money they can afford better facilities, more classes, better tools for classes, and they'll be able to pay teachers more so they'll be happier. if educating future teachers is the issue, then that, too, can be solved with more money

Like I said, can't just throw money at something and except it to improve. You can buy buy new desks, books, pencils, paper, and upgrade those aging computers. What it doesn't do is make better teachers.
Fund better training for teachers, and redesigning teaching systems.
Money isn't a panacea, but it lets you improve.

Everybody should be their own island. No taxes. No society.

I don't remember saying all taxes were bad.

Reread.

I don't remember saying all taxes were bad.

Reread.
I was exaggerating, but I'll tell you why your idea is stuff.

As soon as you pull all of those taxes from education, it will turn into stuff. The remainder of people who have children in public education will pull them out because it is stuff. Rich people will put their kids in private schools, poor people will be forgeted. Only rich people will be able to properly educate their children. Poor people will not have the option to keep their kids in public school because poor people can't support the burden of a good national education system by themselves.
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but loving school keeps me from doing by only having 6 hours to sleep, a few hours to play games and stuff and maybe learn a little more code a bit but I never have the time.
I practically gave up gaming and even cut time from training and hanging with friends to learn how to code in my own time, and it paid off-- I now have a job as a software developer which I plan on turning into a career through more self-education and work-based learning

try harder

I would like to talk about free education.

So people often like to cite Norway, Canada and most of Europe as examples of free education. Basically everything from kindergarden to college is technically free. By technically free I mean your money doesn't go to the school directly, instead your tax money is going to every k-12 and college campus. As a result the standard of living is a bit higher, so the taxes are higher to cover the expenses for paying all of the school. Basically you are entitled to education without having to pay more because you are already paying for it.

Now this system is often associated with socialist type countries. In theory this could be a good thing. However there are flaws with socialism:
Humans are self centered creatures. Since the stone age, humans have only been concerned about their own survival and their family. They basically think for themselves.

Socialism on the other hand works for drone based societies, like ants. The queen sits around all day, tells people what to do and everyone works for the survival of the colony. However as humans, we aren't concerned for our neighbors as much as ourselves. So if you abuse the system for self, then other people will abuse the system and then it caves in.

Basically you have to work to keep the system going to receive the benefits of socialism. But if you and everyone else claim fake disabilities, live off welfare and unemployment for the rest of your life then eventually the system falls apart because no one can support it anymore. It falls apart, things go south, and there is anarchy.

Can socialist thing like free healthcare and education work in the United States? Maybe, but only if people are willing to pay taxes(which implies working) to support the services they use. NEETs, lazy folk, illegals, welfare frauds, selfish people(baby boomers), and bums will mostly hurt the system.

Fund better training for teachers, and redesigning teaching systems.
Money isn't a panacea, but it lets you improve.
well yeah you can. that's how, like, everything works. if a school has money they can afford better facilities, more classes, better tools for classes, and they'll be able to pay teachers more so they'll be happier. if educating future teachers is the issue, then that, too, can be solved with more money
In my opinion the quality of the teacher depends on self integrity and communication skills, these self acquired traits. Advice and experience can be passed down, but not everyone utilizes it.

While you could throw more money into training, it would be better to model your training over a pre-existing proven model of training. When people think more funding they think "Get better!" *throws a few more stacks of money*. I think we should first find the best way to train teachers by looking out how each country trains their teachers, then chose which one works best. From there we can probably estimate the time and money it would take to train those teachers using that system. However If I was a lazy person and you gave me a big pay bonus, chances are I would still be a lazy person.

As far as tools go, paper, pens, books and pencils are fine. Those tools brought about some of the greatest minds like Einstein, Nikola Tesla, and Stephen Hawking. You don't need fancy light up-glow in the dark holoboards, or personal notebooks/ tablets. Notebooks are tablets are great, they can lighten paper use and backpack weight. But who is to say that these items won't enable cheating? You have a kid do a math test on a computer, he will probably pull up a calculator. Essay? Copy and paste. Tablets? Angry birds.

Facilities? Bigger libraries would nice. Indoor gyms for schools that don't have them. Maybe pool. Observatories aren't necessary for K-12 schools.