Author Topic: What is your stance on abortion? (Abortion discussion)  (Read 43791 times)

This is just going around in circles. Nobody is being convinced of anything because there's nothing to be convinced of. You're either okay with abortion or you aren't, and there isn't any argument strong enough to convince one person or the other to believe anything other than what they already do.

I would suggest tactical stop lock and roll.

no fetuses are as human as you and me and abortion is in fact killing them
i'm sure a fetus has as little reasoning as you do

a seed has already been through a fertilization period with the mother and is in fact a plant...
seed = plant
nice logic there bub
apparently not as delusional as biden?
well gee let me google "handicapped republicans" and give you some results and call it an argument, then
you arent even arguing about the issue at hand, you're just trying to save your shattered ego by trying to make me look bad lol

was that before or after you brought up "right-wingers" and the republican party

no fetuses are as human as you and me and abortion is in fact killing them
im just going to start reposting this
Everyone keeps throwing the word 'fetus' around without knowing what it means
A fetus is >8 weeks
Most abortions are done before this stage; what's being aborted isn't even a fetus
Stop using that word to make your argument because it'll go nowhere; whether or not fetuses are children, alive, breathing, can feel pain, or anything like that, is irrelevant, because it's not fetuses being aborted

keep the forgettrash damn it

This is just going around in circles. Nobody is being convinced of anything because there's nothing to be convinced of. You're either okay with abortion or you aren't, and there isn't any argument strong enough to convince one person or the other to believe anything other than what they already do.

I would suggest tactical stop lock and roll.
but where else will it be so easy to be right

no fetuses are as human as you and me and abortion is in fact killing them
But most abortions are done before this, so we're getting rid of it before it even becomes a fetus or as you say a human.


Oh but isn't a sprout a plant?

(It is.)

I really can't believe you guys are still using this argument.
Comparing the development of plants and animals isn't logical.
Plants grow in a completely different way to animals.
For example, I can't clone an animal just by cutting it's leg off and sticking it in a pot of soil and rooting powder.
But I can with a plant.

Furthermore, plants don't have a complex nervous system at ANY point in their development.
Whereas the majority of animals DO have a complex nervous system at a point in their life. Usually this forms part-way through the development of the animal from an embryo.

In addition, plants don't rely on seperate organs for their ability to survive. Plants don't have lungs, or a heart, or a brain.
They don't have a complex circulatory system, nor do they need systems for blood filtration, or waste excrement.
Animals do have these things, and they don't develop until some time through their embryonic development.


I might be able to argue therefore that a sprout germinating from a seed IS a plant, because it contains all the parts required for independent life, such as photosynthetic cells, roots for drawing up nutrients, and Phloem/Xylem for transport of water, nutrients and glucose.
In that sense it's essentially indistinguishable from a full-grown plant.

But a zygote, embryo or foetus of an animal?
They don't have the organs, the structure, the circulatory systems, the (exo/endo)skeleton, the nervous system required to live until part-way through their own development.
Prior to that point where they have all these pieces that would let them survive, they barely resemble a new-born/adult version of themselves, or other animals. The only similarity is having the DNA of their animal species.
And I can argue that the spit, or dead skin cells or blood of an animal has that same DNA.

But there's no point where I would say a few cheek cells happen to be a Person. Those cells might be human, but that doesn't make them a person.
A person is a complete collection of all the Human biological structures that is capable of living of its own accord.


Aborting a zygote/embryo/foetus before this point isn't killing a person, because it wasn't a person, even if it IS human.

was that before or after you brought up "right-wingers" and the republican party
you could've ignored it if it didnt offend you, why did you reply
besides, i was getting back on topic :cookieMonster:

This is just going around in circles. Nobody is being convinced of anything because there's nothing to be convinced of. You're either okay with abortion or you aren't, and there isn't any argument strong enough to convince one person or the other to believe anything other than what they already do.

I would suggest tactical stop lock and roll.
I agree.

im pro-choice. im pro-choice for just about anything within legal bounds. if offical abortions are illegal, i believe they shouldn't be
wow

So whatever the government says is right, you believe is right?

wow

So whatever the government says is right, you believe is right?
that's pretty much the opposite of what he said

I agree.

Yeah, this was going to lead to some passive-aggressive arguing from the get go. It's too bad, it could've been a "good" discussion.