What is your stance on abortion? (Abortion discussion)

[Rally]

Seeing that a zygote has the capacity for all these things as time is allowed to pass, a zygote is life.  The process is continual when in a natural state and is uninterrupted by anything that would kill it.  In what way is a zygote inorganic matter?

Well we talked about this earlier in the thread.

Technically, yeah, you're right! In the scientific world the word life can mean an adult human male, or bacteria under an ice cap on Mars. Two very different things.

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[TristanLuigi]

That's not even what's being aborted here, bud.

A child is not a weed to be killed. It is an organism to be cared for and not brutally murdered. It is the miracle of life. Abortion is barbaric.

"Blegh I'm out of arguments time to talk on completely subjective moral ground"

Also, life isn't a miracle. It's the combination of two sacs of chemicals to make a bigger sac of chemicals that divides until it's no longer a sac of chemicals and is instead a human being.

Are zygotes human? Yes. Are they human beings? No. Can you murder something that isn't a human being? No. So is killing a zygote murder? No.

I take it you don't believe in God.
You actually need a Y in there buddy. Sperm itself isn't considered a child until it combines with the female egg. You didn't kill anything by jerking off except time.
It seems you completely forgot about your mother in this scenario.

I've been trying to avoid personal attacks, but uh... women carry the X chromosome... :/ Men carry a 50/50 chance. Anyway, your logic is inconsistent. A sperm has potential for life but isn't killable because it needs an egg while a zygote has potential for life but IS killable because...? It still needs to rob resources from the mother's body, it's still not complete.

[Derontchi]

You still haven't provided any evidence that it is the murder of children aside from personal bias.
I am open to changing my mind if you can prove it to me in an unbiased manner. Simple as that. I bet others will too if you can prove it as well.

A zygote, fetus, a child is life. Deliberately ending life is murder. Abortion is murder. Simple as that.

McJob, I read your mini-essay and I appreciate your input :)

Rally, you're the delusional forgeter on this thread. One of them, anyway...

[Rally]

Yep. Hard facts and biological evidence conducted by PhD's before your time = delusion.
You're a joke, and so are all your arguments. I'm actually wondering if you're trolling at this point.

[Jubel]

A zygote, fetus, a child is life. Deliberately ending life is murder. Abortion is murder. Simple as that.

I've come to the conclusion that you're a troll, and most of us should stop wasting breath.
Although it was fun, clearly a zygote contains more intelligent life than you ever will.

[Zack]

Right so since this is probably going to be my one and only post in this thread most likely, I'll just say that Rally sums up pretty well my thoughts on the matter.

I take it you don't believe in God.

I don't see the correlation between this and him/whoever being punished for abortion.

Oh but it really is. This is the jewel of the thread.

No. No it isn't. He didn't add anything to the discussion with that.

Likely, but I find it an interesting subject. I think we just need to ignore the trolls and the overly religious "STOP HAVING FUN" guys.


Everyone ignores my big speeches :( I even addressed religion!

I didn't ;3
Most people don't read long things because they're dumb.
Seriously though, you made some good points.

A zygote, fetus, a child is life. Deliberately ending life is murder. Abortion is murder. Simple as that.

It depends on the context.

Rally, you're the delusional forgeter on this thread. One of them, anyway...

Stop being delusional.

[TristanLuigi]

A zygote, fetus, a child is life. Deliberately ending life is murder. Abortion is murder. Simple as that.

Using hand soap is deliberately killing billions of very much living bacteria and protists. Is that genocide? Because there is very little difference between a protist and a zygote.

[Rally]

Although it was fun, clearly a zygote contains more intelligent life than you ever will.

ZING

[McJob]

If ending life was mortally wrong, you could be sent to Hell for washing your hands and killing all those germs.

One interesting thing is how the bible (can't remember exactly) either outright states animals don't go to heaven, or we've somehow come to that conclusion. Whatever the case, if this is the conclusion, then there has to be a metric for what classifies as "protected life" and "unprotected life".

I think something that has the ability to think, feel, construct patterns and make rational and logical arguments is "protected". A zygote, an animal and a bacteria don't have these abilities, and therefore they are unprotected.

Another 2c from me. Not trying to fling stuff around and I like all of you guys; just trying to bring some opinions to the table.

[Goth77]

Oh b-b-but p-potential for l-life!!

It isn't considered a child when it combines with the female egg to the scientific, biological, and sane world until it's been born. I don't know what loving world you live in where you think a fertilized egg is the same thing as a child.

The potential for life doesn't happen until the sperm and egg meet. The egg alone and the sperm alone mean nothing except whats in your DNA.

I don't care about what "science" considers a living being. A fertilized egg is a child, just extremely underdeveloped.

I already gave my opinion on abortion. I only think abortion is right if the female was raped and doesn't want this "mystery" kid, or if the parents decide to abort the child as a couple

[Derontchi]

Yep. Hard facts and biological evidence conducted by PhD's before your time = delusion.
You're a joke, and so are all your arguments. I'm actually wondering if you're trolling at this point.

It seems that you have ignored all of my arguments and just read what you want to. Why am I even acknowledging you at this point? You're just calling everyone "delusional" because you're wrong. A fetus is life. It's really as simple as that.

But whether the fetus is "alive" yet or not, that's not the point. The mother is denying a human being the right to live, and usually to cover up for her own incompetence, and that's not okay. That's all I'm trying to argue.

[Jubel]

[Derontchi]

I've come to the conclusion that you're a troll, and most of us should stop wasting breath.
Although it was fun, clearly a zygote contains more intelligent life than you ever will.

ur really 2funny m8

[Tokthree]

I already gave my opinion on abortion. I only think abortion is right if the female was raped and doesn't want this "mystery" kid, or if the parents decide to abort the child as a couple

Anyone with such flimsy, selective morals should be considered invalid in discussions like these. Either you support it or you don't; you can't justify being against it by using the "but it's alive" argument and then go on to say "oh, but it's okay if that living thing was the result of rape because then the child deserves to suffer the horrible fate which I identify abortion as"

[the hacker]

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