Poll

Which does your school use?

Singapore Math
1 (1.4%)
New Math
3 (4.1%)
Common Core
53 (71.6%)
Other
17 (23%)

Total Members Voted: 74

Voting closed: December 12, 2014, 09:29:31 PM

Author Topic: Are current math systems crap?  (Read 3623 times)

is it unfair for me to be kinda against using calculators for general use in math class? i understand for things like trig where working them out would involve ridiculous memorisation jobs or massively unnecessary detours but if you just use a calculator, you don't become proficient at actually working the math; you only practice the application. i suppose at higher levels it's focused on the application, but i'm pretty sure there are massive psychological benefits to using your mind instead when possible. i guess it's more of a personal point than anything else.

Yeah, but some people seriously can't remember that much at all. Calculators are allowed because it's better to get used to them in 8 - 10, where they will be most used anyway. Some can do algebra in their head, but a ton of people really can't remember more than four digit capacities at once.

I don't think we should structure our educational system with failure in mind.
i should have caught this earlier but this is one million percent yes (i may be taking this a bit out of context by singling it out but i want to expand on it)

people are way more motivated by success than by the threat of failure. if education were structured to an input->success system rather than an input->how much you failed system, everyone would benefit. one of my favourite videos that discusses this idea is this video by extra credits. they talk about a system where, instead of 0-100%, you gain points, which could easily transfer to our current grading scale by having a total number of possible points. they also talk about ways to make the success of other classmates have positive implications for everyone else as well.

another thing they talk about in that video that i really like is an exercise where students have to use the internet and find the shortest path between two topics. i love this because, not only does it educate by creating connections (which is literally what learning is; making connections and becoming more efficient at traversing them), it also teaches students how to access resources in the beautiful information era where you can google how many lumps are on the average stool and instantly get five million results from all over the world.

You're gonna need to know how to derive the trigonometric ratios from the unit circle for lots of stuff in calculus.
ya ofc. things like that are another illustration of how math is amazing and everything has an explanation that can be put into basic units and it's amazing yes

The thing I hate about math courses is when they restrict access to calculators. I always think to myself, "the only time I will need to do this sort of math is when I'm around a calculator or will have access to one. Except of course for this test that needs work to be shown for whatever god damn reason."

woah otto-san is that guy from extra credits the dude from that one spiritual channel

i guess i'm the kind of guy that gets genuine satisfaction from completing a problem on my own. there's no meat there if you get some amazing piece of technology to do it for you, unless you made that piece of technology yourself. again, a personal point more than anything else.

woah otto-san is that guy from extra credits the dude from that one spiritual channel
uhh maybe idk what a spiritual channel is :[

woah otto-san is that guy from extra credits the dude from that one spiritual channel
No, Jordan Duchnycz copied the idea from Extra Credits.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.308555-Poll-Plagiarism-and-Nutjobs-A-Tale-of-Extra-Credits-and-Spirit-Science

On another note, everything Jordan Duchnycz has ever said on Spirit Science is complete bullstuff.

i guess i'm the kind of guy that gets genuine satisfaction from completing a problem on my own. there's no meat there if you get some amazing piece of technology to do it for you, unless you made that piece of technology yourself. again, a personal point more than anything else.
uhh maybe idk what a spiritual channel is :[

I agree, but seriously, some people have real trouble

I'd say math is poorly taught. In order to understand to learn the material, you nee to repetition through work. Yet current academic systems are built around short time frames and cramming. Plus some of the material taught is either uselss, over complicated, poorly implemented, or poorly taught.

The thing I hate about math courses is when they restrict access to calculators. I always think to myself, "the only time I will need to do this sort of math is when I'm around a calculator or will have access to one. Except of course for this test that needs work to be shown for whatever god damn reason."

My Calc II professor went so far in the other direction that he allows the use of the internet. You still need to know what you're doing because you have to show your work and have everything make sense.

No idea what the differences between the poll options are. Regardless, people would be a lot better at math if they were born with 8 or 16 fingers.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2014, 02:42:31 AM by portify »

i need 3 and a half credits of math to graduate. I've taken Alg 1, Geometry, and Alg 2, and I will be taking Trig next semester. I'm only a junior, and math classes are required every year no matter what, so next year I'll be taking Pre-Calc.

Haha to all you that think trig is hard. You're going to have bunches of fun when you get to calculus.

They're so different it's kind of absurd to compare them by difficulty.



The issue I have with math is that it's taught in a way where kids don't learn how to actually use it. A great example is logarithms, you essentially only use them to solve the problems presented to you by the teacher and then you're done with them. You're not taught how fantastic of a tool they are for dealing with large numbers of the same base. Almost any kid that graduates from highschool can solve the question log(2x) = 2 to x = 50 but virtually none of them know why you'd ever need to do something like that in practice.

The same goes for trig, it's great that you can figure out that α=87° β=43° a=5 means that α=87° β=43° γ=50° a=5 b=7.51 c=8.44 but, again, almost none of them can think of a practical use example for that.

I'm grateful that I'm a programmer because I've had to figure that stuff out for myself, much of it before it was taught to me in school, and then it comes into focus and suddenly it makes sense why they'd teach that. The thing is, no kid is going to remember to use the law of sines twenty years after highschool when suddenly he has the angles and distances between object A and B and B and C and now needs to figure out the angle and distance between A and C.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2014, 03:25:12 AM by $trinick »

I can't wait to take Linear Algebra so I can learn math for 3D stuffs. :3

Math classes turned into integrated, confusing asf.

There's 4 levels recognized by the majority of america

Wizard
Average
Stupid
Absolutely loving handicapped
ftfy

Yes, they are crap. The American education system is crap in general.