who here supports gays?

[McJob]

You can tell a bad Christian from the good ones when they start hating on gays. Doesn't God love all his children? Aren't you supposed to be living by His example? Do you show the same disgust towards every other kind of sinner? Why is being gay some Satan reincarnate sin? Some "Christian" could be in his second or third marriage and others would simply frown upon it or ignore its factuality completely, but when two people of the same love show true love towards eachother, the bad apples go apestuff.

To extend on this, considering that being gay isn't a choice, isn't it fair to say that God created homoloveuality?

Being gay is as natural as all the other stuff we do. It's just another variable, just like Male/Female, Tall/Short and all other genetic modifiers.

the reason i'm arguing all these things in some capacity is the fact that any new thing in this society whether it be Over Automation of society Artificial intelligence and Human Augmentation followed closely by human integration into technology and "life eternal" will be accepted without taking a step back and looking at ourselves like this whole thing about loveuality the society doesnt say NO to anything anymore, they say SURE COME ON IN regardless of what anybody says or does, Leagal marijuana, legal other drugs?, Overloveualization, internet research, and Homoloveuality must all be simply tolerated by those who dont agree, Society is more about pleasure now than what is right and good. Society today is all about me and not about them and there is nothing i can do about it, it puts fear deep in my heart

I'm going to start working on my criticisms of this, give me about 10 minutes; need to buy a large case of alcohol.

[Ad Bot]

[warble]

what is on my mind at 1AM, tis a bleak future were heading for

I dont smoke anything

[Mr. Hurricane]

I have a simple train of thought to express.

Gay Marriage is a religious issue in a sense, or people build their arguments on a religious foundation.

In the United States of America, there is a separation of church and state, with the Freedom of Religion.

Opposition builds it's argument that gay marriage violates the predominately 'Christian' population's Freedom of Religion, but because of the separation of church and state, one could not/should not be able to inforce such a ban upon the gays.

You could also turn it around and with some extended logic say that because gays, as citizens of the United States, are allowed to believe what they want (or don't) religiously. If such a ban is upheld, it could be seen as a violation of their Freedom of Religion, because the bans on gay marriage stems from contexts that the individuals themselves may not observe.

EDIT: Personally I also don't feel that it is nessicary to tell people how to live their lives.

[childofdarkness016]

Okay what the forget did you just type.

I think he's trying to say that because of technology our society is becoming more materialistic, love-oriented, and just too "liberal," and for people who don't like that they're forced to tolerate it and say nothing.

Which is absolutely not true because if it were, this thread wouldn't exist at all.

Being gay is as natural as all the other stuff we do. It's just another variable, just like Male/Female, Tall/Short and all other genetic modifiers.

I get your point and I agree, but I just have to point out that none of those three variables are binary. That goes for love too.

[ShadowsfeaR]

Gays want the right to marriage for the legal benefits, forget the church, lel.

(@ Hurricane )

[Katla]

Gays want the right to marriage for the legal benefits, forget the church, lel.

But it'll destroy the sanctity of my divorce...

[warble]

as ive said three times now i dont just go out and publically hate on gay people, these are opinions that i mostly keep to myself, I try to look at things from gay points of view as much as i can and understand its not a choice

[Mr. Hurricane]

But it'll destroy the sanctity of my divorce...

Oh my God.

I was mainly focusing on the oppositions standpoint. It is true what you said Shadow.

[otto-san]

'good' christians (really good people in general; the message is p much to be a good person and spread the goodness) will be tolerant and open-minded but confident in their beliefs while being able to understand and respect others' beliefs and lifestyles. evangelism isn't supposed to be "u bettre com 2 churc or ur gona GO 2 HECKLANDS," it's supposed to be introducing the 'lost' to god so he can work within them (realised this isn't super-relevant after reading over it but w/e eat a but stanley).

I have a simple train of thought to express.

Gay Marriage is a religious issue in a sense, or people build their arguments on a religious foundation.

In the United States of America, there is a separation of church and state, with the Freedom of Religion.

Opposition builds it's argument that gay marriage violates the predominately 'Christian' population's Freedom of Religion, but because of the separation of church and state, one could not/should not be able to inforce such a ban upon the gays.

You could also turn it around and with some extended logic say that because gays, as citizens of the United States, are allowed to believe what they want (or don't) religiously. If such a ban is upheld, it could be seen as a violation of their Freedom of Religion, because the bans on gay marriage stems from contexts that the individuals themselves may not observe.

these kinds of laws are made to uphold whatever 'moral standard' exists in the culture. support in treating people like human beings is on the rise, so, as time goes on, laws that prevent people from being treated as equally-entitled human beings will disappear. directly supporting a law with religion is murky waters, but the predominant religion (even though religiousness doesn't directly correlate with morality) will still ultimately determine the typical moral standards, even if they're kinda butts. a lot of people that raised this generation or the last one seem to think there's some kind of ""moral decline"" happening because we're deviating from """"traditional christian values!!!"""" but if u axe me that's a bunch of BULLPOOPY!!

[Judge]

its not a choice to want to forget dogs, why can't people do that?

it not being a choice should not make it ok

[ShadowsfeaR]

its not a choice to want to forget dogs, why can't people do that?

Dogs can't represent themselves in a court of law.

[Jubel]

its not a choice to want to forget dogs, why can't people do that?

of course not, no one wants to forget a bitch like you.
People who are against anyone are stupid, in terms of discrimination over how they are born/are.
Unless they did something stupid.

[Headcrab Zombie]

Some "Christian" could be in his second or third marriage and others would simply frown upon it or ignore its factuality completely

It's funny because divorce is actually directly condemned, yet no one gives a stuff. Just more christians picking and choosing what they like

the reason i'm arguing all these things in some capacity is the fact that any new thing in this society whether it be Over Automation of society Artificial intelligence and Human Augmentation followed closely by human integration into technology and "life eternal" will be accepted without taking a step back and looking at ourselves like this whole thing about loveuality the society doesnt say NO to anything anymore, they say SURE COME ON IN regardless of what anybody says or does, Leagal marijuana, legal other drugs?, Overloveualization, internet research, and Homoloveuality must all be simply tolerated by those who dont agree, Society is more about pleasure now than what is right and good. Society today is all about me and not about them and there is nothing i can do about it, it puts fear deep in my heart

lol wtf are you talking about

must all be simply tolerated by those who dont agree

If someone has an opinion, they can present it, at that opinion can be voted on. THe majority of this country approves same-love marriage.
Opinions such as "a population of people should be deprived of rights and treated inferior for no reason other than having a condition they did not choose to have, and can not change" have no place in a civilized society

Opposition builds it's argument that gay marriage violates the predominately 'Christian' population's Freedom of Religion

And this is a load of stuff
"Freedom of Religion" isn't made to protect religion from people, it's to protect people from religion
Additionally, no one (at least no one reasonable) is trying to force churches into marrying same love couples. Churches should still have the full choice to not marry them, it's the state that can't

[otto-san]

its not a choice to want to forget dogs, why can't people do that?

it not being a choice should not make it ok

animals can't give consent

if animals were capable of human-like intellect and emotion and could communicate the desire for your weewee i'm sure there would be much less moral quandary there

[warble]

technology has certainly affected our society more than anything, we here can express these opinions from opposite sides of the globe and chat about any issue and istantly hear 9 people rebut an argument youve made before you have time to say another word, which is amazing. Like minded people are formed when information is scarce, and now it is less scarce then ever in history, this tends to create deviants, and opens the world up to everyone's opinions this is the reason for society's rapid shift and the standardization of things that people may never have heard of in their entire life if you rewind just 40 or 50 years