EU changes rules on GM crop cultivation [Should GMO's be labelled?]

[sir dooble]

Educate them, you can't when them all, but you will win over people.

This is really the best solution, even over labelling foods to be transparent.

Education in understanding GM foods should be a mandatory part of all school curriculums.
It should be as common to learn as how an electric circuit works, or the water cycle.

There's not much we here can do about it (particularly in relation to each others countries), but it should be a goal of the governments, to provide an education in that matter.

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[Headcrab Zombie]

it is certainly meaningful information

No, it's not. It's a very vague blanket term that provides no actual information as to what specific modifications where made. Read the fourth section in my large post, and the two paragraphs above dooble's HRs

[otto-san]

"information" could be a lot more than just "ya gmos," it could also include more accurately detailing the specific method. which, again, is meaningful information because it is a method by which the product was produced, and the consumer has a right to know that sort of thing.

[Jubel]

one thing i dont like about gmos is that those big strawberries dont have any flavour compared to wild/""natural"" ones.

mmm tasty strawberries

[Headcrab Zombie]

"information" could be a lot more than just "ya gmos," it could also include more accurately detailing the specific method. which, again, is meaningful information because it is a method by which the product was produced, and the consumer has a right to know that sort of thing.

Yeah, that's why dooble's idea to give a list of where things are sourced from is good, so people can find actual information. What I'm saying is meaningless is just throwing "GMO" on the label and calling it a day

one thing i dont like about gmos is that those big strawberries dont have any flavour compared to wild/""natural"" ones.

mmm tasty strawberries

I used to work in produce, we sold both conventional and organic strawberries. Sometimes the conventional ones were good, sometimes they were gross. Sometimes the organic one were good, skeined they were gross. But for the most part, they tasted the same, the only difference was the organic were smaller and not as good looking
It has nothing to do with gmo.
Oftentimes it's actually the other way around (conventional being better than organic), because the plant has more energy and less disease/insects attacking it, and is therefore able to focus on reproduction instead of keeping itself alive.
What matters is how the berries were grown, freshness, season, things like that. Commercially grown strawberries are also probably a different variety than "wild" ones, or bred for hardiness and shelf life at the cost of flavor; I know tomatoes are like that

[Nonnel]

Hmm... I can sort of see your point, but would you mind telling me why it is absurd? I mean are allowed to know what they're eating right?

no one should be forced to do anything

[Tetro Block]

Yeah, that's why dooble's idea to give a list of where things are sourced from is good, so people can find actual information. What I'm saying is meaningless is just throwing "GMO" on the label and calling it a day

So maybe call it something scientific that only educated people would understand? I guess that would work, I'd be happy with that.

inb4 people start making "Gee Emm Ohh testing kits"

[otto-san]

Yeah, that's why dooble's idea to give a list of where things are sourced from is good, so people can find actual information. What I'm saying is meaningless is just throwing "GMO" on the label and calling it a day

ye i agree

[YayFun]

Yeah, that's why dooble's idea to give a list of where things are sourced from is good, so people can find actual information. What I'm saying is meaningless is just throwing "GMO" on the label and calling it a day


I used to work in produce, we sold both conventional and organic strawberries. Sometimes the conventional ones were good, sometimes they were gross. Sometimes the organic one were good, skeined they were gross. But for the most part, they tasted the same, the only difference was the organic were smaller and not as good looking
It has nothing to do with gmo.
Oftentimes it's actually the other way around (conventional being better than organic), because the plant has more energy and less disease/insects attacking it, and is therefore able to focus on reproduction instead of keeping itself alive.
What matters is how the berries were grown, freshness, season, things like that. Commercially grown strawberries are also probably a different variety than "wild" ones, or bred for hardiness and shelf life at the cost of flavor; I know tomatoes are like that

I grow organic produce, can confirm that everything is based on how the grower grows them. However, organic tends to have more taste if the grower focuses more than just the NPK. I'm always told I grow the best produce, so everyone comes to be to buy it off of me before getting it from a store. This year I've added organic peach trees and apple trees to that list of stuff I'm growing.

I challenge some of you to grow your own tomato plant this spring. They taste a lot better than anything you will get from the store. You don't need a garden or a farm to do it. You can do it right in a 10 or 15 gallon pot with some good potting soil and a tomato fertilizer mix. I would also recommend Burpee brand seeds, their all non-gmo including their "non-organic" seeds.

[Lugnut]

this was my view

you've changed my view

yes... that's the kill timer. if the cell doesn't just die it'll start going haywire and loving up as it multiplies.

not... kill timers, per se, more that the cell doesn't stop growing or duplicating, which is a slight difference.seventh i saw your list of sources earlier in the topic, how far back does our research go? how long is the longest term study we have on the effects of gmo crops on humans?

i understand the only moderately decent argument against them is that we don't have long term studies, just lots of short term ones. is there any truth to that claim?

[devildogelite]

one thing i dont like about gmos is that those big strawberries dont have any flavour compared to wild/""natural"" ones.

mmm tasty strawberries

Those strawberries didn't have genes spliced like that. They were just crossbred with other strawberries.

[SeventhSandwich]

Here is a scenario. A man develops colon cancer, his diet is crap for the most part. However he is not convinced. So he hires a lawyer asks him about his diet, what stores he buys from, brands of produces. Several of those produces turn out to be grown from various farms, all of which use seeds from a GMO company. The lawyer is concerned about just getting money and winning the case, not whether the facts or true or not. So they build their case around unlabeled foods. So the case is taken to court, and its lost. However some media outlet picked up on it and reported during case, other media outlets pick up on it and create hype and panick. Now the sales of fruits and vegetables drop because people are worried about what's in their food. Had some sort of sticker or label been printed, the lawyer might have said his case was pretty weak and the trial wouldn't have happened in the first place. Had it not happened, that one media outlet would have never heard about. Had they not heard about, produce sales would still be good.

I don't get how your logic follows. If there was a label, the amount of research that the lawyer would have to do to take his case to court is far less than if he had to figure out himself where all of his food was coming from.

you can weep that 80% of Americans and most of the world is unsure and don't want to buy some product you are heavily biased toward. By the way, you are the first person I have ever met to make a big deal out of a small label that most people won't even read.

As far as I can tell, most of that group are people who have an established belief that GMOs are dangerous. It won't be a small label, and people will notice it. No matter what way you cut it, you are using the government to punish businesses for something they didn't do wrong.

[Juncoph]

not... kill timers, per se, more that the cell doesn't stop growing or duplicating, which is a slight difference.

that's basically what i meant

[Starkiller]

I would agree with this if only they didn't contaminate everyone else's crops.

this

[Headcrab Zombie]

this

"Oh no, my field might start growing crops that are more resistant to disease and pests! Whatever will I do!?"