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How is a bone marrow transplant dangerous.
Do you even know how it works?

I'll say it again, Gothboy hates doctors because he doesnt understand them.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2015, 11:14:57 AM by Jubel »

I'll say it again, Gothboy hates doctors because he doesnt understand them.
^This, and gothboy by what you're trying to explain now doesn't make your argument any more valid and does not excuse the fact that you said doctors are stupid.

How the forget do you even find it funny after people DO start attacking you for your stupid post. It's really not that big of a surprise is it?

i loved his videos when i was younger. they were great.


Never had a vaccine because I don't really trust them or need them. My body has an immune system.
http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=273631.0


people are going to keep pointing out your ridiculousness, stay silent for a while.

I'm also going to assume Gothboy wont vaccinate his kid either.

Have fun when it gets smallpox or polio.

How is a bone marrow transplant dangerous.
Do you even know how it works?

I'll say it again, Gothboy hates doctors because he doesnt understand them.
I don't hate doctors? I never said I hated doctors. I said I don't fully trust hospitals, which you have to be an idiot to trust them 100%. Havent you ever heard that people make mistakes and many hospitals have been sued for wrongful treatment of patients? Now days they ask you if you have insurance before they will even help you. They care more about the money than the life of the patient. Not all hospitals are this way, but the majority of them are.

^This, and gothboy by what you're trying to explain now doesn't make your argument any more valid and does not excuse the fact that you said doctors are stupid.

How the forget do you even find it funny after people DO start attacking you for your stupid post. It's really not that big of a surprise is it?
The docs in this particular situation were stupid. They did not even try the CBD treatment to see if it would reduce the number of leukemic cells; They went straight for surgery. Nothing is funny about this kid's death. I do find it "funny" when people attack my "stupid" posts because they are decently intellectual, and the people attacking the posts are actually the uninformed ones.

http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=273631.0

people are going to keep pointing out your ridiculousness, stay silent for a while.
Na, I don't mind a little debating. I'll let you guys know if I ever get the measles. lol.

I'm also going to assume Gothboy wont vaccinate his kid either.

Have fun when it gets smallpox or polio.
They didn't give me a choice in the hospital. They gave her vaccinations.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2015, 11:42:07 AM by Goth77 »

I heard he got another a few days before his passing away?

Sources, please.


Never had a vaccine because I don't really trust them or need them. My body has an immune system.

First off, here is something you might find interesting.

I'm not doubting that you're a healthy person or that your immune system works, it's just that you don't know what vaccinations do, or what their purpose is.

To simply put it, a vaccination's purpose is to make your immune system develop immunity against viruses, and adapt to said viruses. Without vaccinations, your immune system couldn't effectively fight against certain viruses. Because a fair number of viruses were proving to be deadly, especially against children and old folks, there was a rising need to develop vaccinations.

With the way herd immunity works and the growing popularity of the anti-vaccination crowd, those who haven't gotten immunized before should need to now, since viruses and diseases are spreading through those who refused to get vaccinated.

If cowpox hadn't been discovered to make people immune to smallpox, or enough people decided they didn't "trust the vaccination", millions of people would be still be dying of smallpox.


It's funny how almost everyone in the topic is dogging me and hating on me, yet I am empathizing for the person that passed away.

Everyone is hounding you because you posted uninformed nonsense as facts and then claimed the doctors that operated on Kitty0706 were selfish and uncaring because they tried to treat his leukemia with a procedure you don't agree with.


It means that most people arn't even reading the stuff I type, they just see what other people say and start throwing out rude comments.

You aren't reading what other people are posting, as part of a normal trend for people such as yourself. You have barely any medical knowledge, so instead of arguing with people who might know a little more than you, you should educate yourself on the matter at hand and maybe come outta this ordeal with some useful know-hows, yknow?


Instead of trying the CBD extracts first, they went straight to dangerous surgery.

Despite you knowing little to nothing about medical procedures, you still want to criticize licensed medical professionals?

Bold strategy mate


It was a pretty dumb decision on their part; if they actually even cared for this kids life.

You might just be an starfish

Oh god, there's more:

So, you want doctors to make the 'smarter decision' by prescribing a treatment regimen that does not work as a replacement for one that does? Where the hell did you get your MD from?

Holy stuff, you are literally citing a case study as irrefutable evidence that cannabis can cure cancer. Please find 'case studies' on the pyramid of evidence below and tell me how it compares to the gold standard for FDA approval (the systematic review).

You should also note the fact that your case study literally acknowledges the fact that the patient died from internal bleeding while under 'cannabis treatment'.



Gonna quote this for Goth because he seemed to have missed this ;)

A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism
November 7, 2002

Authors:
Kreesten Meldgaard Madsen, M.D., Anders Hviid, M.Sc.
Mogens Vestergaard, M.D., Diana Schendel, Ph.D.
Jan Wohlfahrt, M.Sc., Poul Thorsen, M.D.
Jørn Olsen, M.D., and Mads Melbye, M.D.

Background:
It has been suggested that the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine causes autism.1-4 The widespread use of the MMR vaccine has reportedly coincided with an increase in the incidence of autism in California,5 and there are case reports of children in whom signs of both developmental regression and gastrointestinal symptoms developed shortly after MMR vaccination.1 Measles virus has been found in the terminal ileum in children with developmental disorders and gastrointestinal symptoms but not in developmentally normal children with gastrointestinal symptoms.6 The measles virus used in the MMR vaccine is a live attenuated virus that normally causes no symptoms or only very mild ones. However, wild-type measles can infect the central nervous system and even cause postinfectious encephalomyelitis, probably as a result of an immune-mediated response to myelin proteins.7-9
Studies designed to evaluate the suggested link between MMR vaccination and autism do not support an association, but the evidence is weak and based on case-series, cross-sectional, and ecologic studies. No studies have had sufficient statistical power to detect an association, and none had a population-based cohort design.10-16 The World Health Organization and other organizations have requested further investigation of the hypothetical association between the MMR vaccine and autism.2,17-20 We evaluated the hypothesis in a cohort study that included all children born in Denmark in 1991 through 1998.

Study:
We designed a retrospective follow-up study of all children born in Denmark during the period from January 1, 1991, to December 31, 1998. The cohort was established on the basis of data obtained from the Danish Civil Registration System and five other national registries.
All live-born children and new residents in Denmark are assigned a unique personal identification number (a civil-registry number), which is stored in the Danish Civil Registration System together with information on vital status, emigration, disappearance, address, and family members (mother, father, and siblings).21 The registry is updated once a week, and all changes in the stored information are reported to the registry according to established legal procedures. The civil-registry number is used as the link to information at the individual level in all other national registries. This system provides completely accurate linkage of information between registries at the individual level.

We determined MMR-vaccination status on the basis of vaccination data reported to the National Board of Health by general practitioners, who administer all MMR vaccinations in Denmark. The general practitioners are reimbursed by the state on the basis of these reports. We retrieved information on vaccinations from 1991 through 1999. The MMR vaccine was introduced in Denmark in 1987, and the single-antigen measles vaccine has not been used. The MMR vaccine used in Denmark during the study period was identical to that used in the United States and contained the following vaccine strains: Moraten (measles), Jeryl Lynn (mumps), and Wistar RA 27/3 (rubella).

The national vaccination program recommends that children be vaccinated at 15 months of age and again at 12 years. No change was made in the program during the study period. We obtained information on MMR vaccination at 15 months of age, since only this exposure is relevant to the end point under study. Since the vaccination data are transferred to the National Board of Health once a week, we chose Wednesday as the day of vaccination. When the vaccination information was recorded with the child's own civil-registry number, the information was directly linked with other registries. Before 1996, in most cases the vaccination information and the age of the child were recorded with the civil-registry number of the accompanying adult; we used information from the Danish Civil Registration System to identify the link from the accompanying adult to the child. Thus, 98.5 percent of the children were identified with the use of the child's civil-registry number or the civil-registry number of the mother or father and the age of the child at vaccination. The remaining 1.5 percent of children were identified on the basis of additional information from the Danish Civil Registration System on other relatives and information on the address at the time of vaccination.

Information about diagnoses of autism was obtained from the Danish Psychiatric Central Register, which contains information on all diagnoses received by patients in psychiatric hospitals, psychiatric departments, and outpatient clinics in Denmark.22 In our cohort, 93.1 percent of the children were treated only as outpatients, and 6.9 percent were at some point treated as inpatients in a psychiatric department. All diagnoses were based on the International Classification of Diseases, 10th Revision (ICD-10), which is similar to the 4th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) with regard to autism.23-26 In Denmark, children are referred to specialists in child psychiatry by general practitioners, schools, and psychologists if autism is suspected. Only specialists in child psychiatry diagnose autism and assign a diagnostic code, and all diagnoses are recorded in the Danish Psychiatric Central Register. We identified all children given a diagnosis of autistic disorder (ICD-10 code F84.0 and DSM-IV code 299.00) or another autistic-spectrum disorder (ICD-10 codes F84.1 through F84.9 and DSM-IV codes 299.10 and 299.80). When a child was given diagnoses of both autistic disorder and one or more other autistic-spectrum disorders, we classified the diagnosis as autistic disorder. Autism is associated with the inherited genetic conditions tuberous sclerosis, Angelman's syndrome, and the fragile X syndrome and with congenital rubella. To maximize the homogeneity of the study population, data for children with these conditions were censored when the diagnosis was made. We obtained information on these conditions from the National Hospital Registry.

We performed an extensive record review for 40 children with autistic disorder (13 percent of all the children with autistic disorder) to validate the diagnosis of autism. A consultant in child psychiatry with expertise in autism examined the medical records. Thirty-seven of the children (92 percent) met the operational criteria for autistic disorder according to a systematic coding scheme developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for surveillance of autism and used in a prevalence study in Brick Township, New Jersey.27 The three children who did not meet the criteria for autistic disorder were all classified as having other autistic-spectrum disorders. For two of the children, the diagnosis of autistic disorder was questionable because of profound intellectual impairment. For the third child, we did not have information about the onset of symptoms before the age of three years, which is a prerequisite for the diagnosis of autistic disorder.
We obtained information on birth weight and gestational age from the Danish Medical Birth Registry and the National Hospital Registry.28,29 Information on potential confounders, including socioeconomic status (as indicated by the employment status of the head of the household) and mother's education was obtained from Statistics Denmark from the time when the child was 15 months of age.

Statistical brown townysis:
Follow-up for the diagnosis of autistic disorder or another autistic-spectrum disorder began for all children on the day they reached one year of age and continued until the diagnosis of autism or an associated condition (the fragile X syndrome, Angelman's syndrome, tuberous sclerosis, or congenital rubella), emigration, death, or the end of follow-up, on December 31, 1999, whichever occurred first. The incidence-rate ratios for autistic disorder and other autistic-spectrum disorders in the group of vaccinated children, as compared with the unvaccinated group, were examined in a log-linear Poisson regression model with the use of PROC GENMOD (SAS, version 6.12).30 We treated vaccination as a time-dependent covariate. The children were assigned to the nonvaccinated group until they received the MMR vaccine. From that date, they were followed in the vaccinated group. In additional brown townyses, the MMR-vaccinated children were grouped according to their age at the time of vaccination, the interval since vaccination, and the calendar period when vaccination was performed.
In reporting the results, we refer to the incidence-rate ratios as relative risks. For all risk estimates, we considered possible confounding by age (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, or 8 to 9 years), love, calendar period (1992 to 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, or 1999; for other autistic-spectrum disorders, the years 1992, 1993, and 1994 were grouped together), socioeconomic status (six groups), mother's education (five groups), gestational age (≤36, 37 to 41, or ≥42 weeks), and birth weight (≤2499, 2500 to 2999, 3000 to 3499, 3500 to 3999, or ≥4000 g).

Results:
A total of 537,303 children were included in the cohort and followed for a total of 2,129,864 person-years. Follow-up of 5811 children was stopped before December 31, 1999, because of a diagnosis of autistic disorder (in 316 children), other autistic-spectrum disorders (in 422), tuberous sclerosis (in 35), congenital rubella (in 2), or the fragile X or Angelman's syndrome (in 8), and because of death or emigration in the cases of 5028 children, whose data were censored. For children who received MMR vaccine, there were 1,647,504 person-years of follow-up, and for children who did not receive the vaccine, there were 482,360 person-years of follow-up.

Table 1
Characteristics of the 537,303 Children in the Danish Cohort.
 shows the distribution of the MMR cohort according to vaccination status, love, birth weight, gestational age, socioeconomic status, mother's education, and age when autism was diagnosed. The mean age at diagnosis was four years and three months for autistic disorder and five years and three months for other autistic-spectrum disorders. The mean age at the time of the MMR vaccination was 17 months, and 98.5 percent of the vaccinated children were vaccinated before 3 years of age. The proportion of children who were vaccinated was the same among boys and girls (82.0 percent).

Table 2
Adjusted Relative Risk of Autistic Disorder and of Other Autistic-Spectrum Disorders in Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Children.
 shows the association between variables related to MMR vaccination and the risk of autism. We calculated the relative risk with adjustment for age, calendar period, love, birth weight, gestational age, mother's education, and socioeconomic status. Overall, there was no increase in the risk of autistic disorder or other autistic-spectrum disorders among vaccinated children as compared with unvaccinated children (adjusted relative risk of autistic disorder, 0.92; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.68 to 1.24; adjusted relative risk of other autistic-spectrum disorders, 0.83; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.65 to 1.07). Furthermore, we found no association between the development of autistic disorder and the age at vaccination (P=0.23), the interval since vaccination (P=0.42), or the calendar period at the time of vaccination (P=0.06).
Adjustment for potential confounders with the exception of age resulted in similar estimates of risk. Changing the start of follow-up for autistic disorder and other autistic-spectrum disorders to the date of birth or 16 months of age had little effect on the estimates (data not shown). Furthermore, including children with the fragile X syndrome, tuberous sclerosis, congenital rubella, or Angelman's syndrome in the brown townysis did not change the estimates (data not shown).

Citation:
Citationmarkdown can be found here: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134#t=citedby

tl;dr:

Vaccine your damn kids.

I didn't say all doctors are idiots, just the ones in this situation. Calm down.
I heard he got another a few days before his passing away?
Never had a vaccine because I don't really trust them or need them. My body has an immune system.

It's funny how almost everyone in the topic is dogging me and hating on me, yet I am empathizing for the person that passed away. It means that most people arn't even reading the stuff I type, they just see what other people say and start throwing out rude comments.

Maybe I was a tad angry when I wrote that but the point still stands. Instead of trying the CBD extracts first, they went straight to dangerous surgery. It was a pretty dumb decision on their part; if they actually even cared for this kids life.
people who try to encourage alternative treatments of cancer should have their talking licenses revoked. my father haed brain cancer, and he didn't treat it via stupid gypsy tactics straight out of the dark ages, he was smart. this sounds like something i would hear straight out of a stupid stoner's facebook post. you aren't smarter than doctors if it hasn't occurred to you. i fear for your children if you choose not to vaccinate them.

take goths idiocy to drama not here please

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I understand what a vaccination is and what it does. It is a small dead portion of the "virus" that is injected into you so that your immune system knows what it is, and has immunity to it. Sometimes the "vaccine" can reproduce (because thats what a virus does) and grow back to it's stronger form by feeding off your body; potentially killing the person vaccinated.
I took health class (3 years of it actually) and understand many medical practices and things that you may not be aware that I know. Am I a license doctor? No. But there are idiots in this world who have a medical license that don't even deserve to have one.

I don't know why you assume otherwise, but I have been reading what others are posting. You also assume I have no medical knowledge, but I do. Call me an starfish, but it seems like your the one posting uninformed nonsense as fact? You know nothing of my studies or knowledge, as I know nothing of yours. Don't assume.

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Everyone is hounding you because you posted uninformed nonsense as facts and then claimed the doctors that operated on Kitty0706 were selfish and uncaring because they tried to treat his leukemia with a procedure you don't agree with.
It's true I don't agree with the doctors not at least trying the CBD treatment first, but I wasn't in the room when the procedure happened. I couldn't tell you if the doctor was an starfish, what his favorite color was, or what he looked like even. It just seems to me that if they really cared they would have made an attempt at the CBD treatment before a potentially life-threatening surgery.

The "Herd-Immunization" theory is interesting, and I have already read about this.
Also see, Premunity

As for the sources of the bone marrow transplant taking place not too long before his death, I could not find. I will keep looking, I remember reading it somewhere; I think Facebook: but can you really trust the stuff you even read there nowadays?

fyi: dead virus don't reproduce

You've single handedly ruined a topic. Go to hell.

If this stuff continues then I'm locking it, keep it in the drama

The passing of Kitty0706 is sad. I am sorry to hear about this. I wish his family well during their hardship.