CIA kills Jordanian pilot by BURNING HIM ALIVE

[Cappytaino]

A. do we really aspire to be like the USSR, lol? look at russia now.
B. in foreign policy, you want to look for a long-term solution. if someone is getting cut, and you keep immediately putting band-aids on each cut, they'll be safe from infection, but it's guaranteed they'll get cut again. Give them bandages and protective wear and they'll be safer.

getting CIA leaders and cutting off their balls is only going to give negative attention to the country who did it, and anger the terrorists. I don't like isil one bit, but

Again, the Geneva convention does not apply to them. Realpolitik is what we need in this situation. We've already attempted diplomacy, and ISIL has no interest in diplomacy. They do not have any moral values, so why should we. If we can prove that someone has ties to ISIL, there should be no mercy and no loving around. forget with their minds, make them live in fear of the West. We have the power to destroy them, at only the expense of looking brutal.

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[Oasis]

why should a jordanian have to do something to be for me to hate that country?

in fact, anyone who successfully conquers anything, had the rights to do as they please to the people and land.
anyone who disagrees is apparently anti-american because that is how its been done lol.
right now CIA are doing pretty good and they earned it.

Uh, no lol.

[Alternat¡ve]

Terrorists are people too

No they aren't. They are animals that deserve to be put down.

[Renousim]

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[ZombiLoin]

Again, the Geneva convention does not apply to them. Realpolitik is what we need in this situation. We've already attempted diplomacy, and ISIL has no interest in diplomacy. They do not have any moral values, so why should we. If we can prove that someone has ties to ISIL, there should be no mercy and no loving around. forget with their minds, make them live in fear of the West. We have the power to destroy them, at only the expense of looking brutal.

glad to see you've adopted CIA policy 101

[Bisjac]

Uh, no lol.

that is how all nations have and currently are doing it. even the US took full advantage of this for 100s of years and still is.
i dont see why anyone else cant enjoy the ability if they have the balls to pull it off.
or have you not been paying attention.

[Oasis]

Again, the Geneva convention does not apply to them. Realpolitik is what we need in this situation. We've already attempted diplomacy, and ISIL has no interest in diplomacy. They do not have any moral values, so why should we. If we can prove that someone has ties to ISIL, there should be no mercy and no loving around. forget with their minds, make them live in fear of the West. We have the power to destroy them, at only the expense of looking brutal.

If you have moral values that only apply to certain human beings, they aren't called moral values.

[Doughboy]

why should a jordanian have to do something to be for me to hate that country?

in fact, anyone who successfully conquers anything, had the rights to do as they please to the people and land.
anyone who disagrees is apparently anti-american because that is how its been done lol.
right now CIA are doing pretty good and they earned it.

should america be owned by britain then because the british back then had the right to do what they wanted to the people and the land, so there shouldnt have been a revolution

[Otis Da HousKat]

Gruesome, but this pilot was a military pilot and Jordan has been fighting against ISIL. He should have been ready to die if brought down.

[Oasis]

that is how all nations have and currently are doing it. even the US took full advantage of this for 100s of years and still is.
i dont see why anyone else cant enjoy the ability if they have the balls to pull it off.
or have you not been paying attention.

Just because you "conquer" a region doesn't mean you should have the ability to do whatever the forget you want to its people. Maybe we're coming from two different positions here, maybe you're speaking of what is and I'm speaking of what should be. Regardless, just because you claim land doesn't mean you enslaving, killing, and torturing people are actions that are your "right".

[Cappytaino]

No they aren't. They are animals that deserve to be put down.

The west is full of pansies, talking about how we can de-radicalize returning ISIL fighters. I say throw them in jail, make an example of them. Realpolitik is what we need. Learn from Machiavelli, the ends justify the means. If castrating and killing a few relatives of ISIL leaders gets them to sit down and shut up, then the means are completely justified.

glad to see you've adopted CIA policy 101

I'm not calling for a genocide. ISIL is committing genocide on the Kurds, it's a legitimate ethnic cleansing. We have the power to stop them right now, but we're too big of bitches and concerned with "looking too brutal" or "potential backlash"

What they want is to drag us into a war of attrition and to use guerrilla tactics to wear us down and win the day. A swift, merciless response is what we need, not boots on the ground. Tell me how Iraq went.

[ZombiLoin]

Again, the Geneva convention does not apply to them. Realpolitik is what we need in this situation. We've already attempted diplomacy, and ISIL has no interest in diplomacy. They do not have any moral values, so why should we. If we can prove that someone has ties to ISIL, there should be no mercy and no loving around. forget with their minds, make them live in fear of the West. We have the power to destroy them, at only the expense of looking brutal.

if you want some realpolitik we should just leave them alone because 1) we have nothing to gain from a war in the middle east and 2) another war in the middle east would destroy the US's reputation and 3) there are no economic or political gains to be made from a war against CIA.

the only reason you could have a war with CIA is one based on morals. if you abandon your morals, well, then it's just a war for nothing.

it's weird because your decision making is entirely based on emotions and not on... well... realpolitik, as you say.

should america be owned by britain then because the british back then had the right to do what they wanted to the people and the land, so there shouldnt have been a revolution

nah cus america beat the british. thus they sorta "conquered their own land." that's bisjac's reasoning.

[Camel]

They do not have any moral values, so why should we.

what happened to "all terrorists are human"?

also, why should we stoop to CIA's tactics? if you believe they're deplorable then we should be the better people and imprison these motherforgeters, try em for their crimes.

If we can prove that someone has ties to ISIL, there should be no mercy and no loving around. forget with their minds, make them live in fear of the West. We have the power to destroy them, at only the expense of looking brutal.

i agree that if someone has ties to CIA they should be apprehended asap, but keep in mind, arab countries already live in fear of the west - we have a whole bunch of nukes.

people always say we should just nuke the middle east cus they're an eyesore, but ironically they're only looking at what the media has shown you about the middle east. There are plenty of progressive people over there. the media only shows you people yelling and shooting guns cus "normal iranians get a cup of coffee" isn't a great story.

[Bisjac]

Just because you "conquer" a region doesn't mean you should have the ability to do whatever the forget you want to its people.

cept thats what we are doing all over the world. why should we be allowed to and not them? i think its bullstuff yeah, but im not going to be hypocritical about it.
no one who enjoys living in the US and the extreme safety and power it has, is really allowed to be mad about what CIA is doing. because we have all this because we did the same thing they are.

[Cappytaino]

what happened to "all terrorists are human"?

also, why should we stoop to CIA's tactics? if you believe they're deplorable then we should be the better people and imprison these motherforgeters, try em for their crimes.i agree that if someone has ties to CIA they should be apprehended asap, but keep in mind, arab countries already live in fear of the west - we have a whole bunch of nukes.

people always say we should just nuke the middle east cus they're an eyesore, but ironically they're only looking at what the media has shown you about the middle east. There are plenty of progressive people over there. the media only shows you people yelling and shooting guns cus "normal iranians get a cup of coffee" isn't a great story.

I didn't mean human in the sense that they deserve human treatment. What I meant to say was, they are susceptible to the same weaknesses as any other human. I agree with you that any militants must be apprehended, but I guess the difference in our arguments is that I'm arguing more on the basis of Machiavellian ideals. We can agree to disagree on the means, but we do agree that ISIL fighters should be used as examples and imprisoned.