Who killed Mr. Boddy in the study and with what?: the great debate topic™®

[IkeTheGeneric]

I understood what general said, he said that kishgal isn't as informed as he is, which is probably untrue.

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[Harm94]

my views on firearms are as following-

civilians should be able to own everything short of weapons that have a fully automatic firing mode, and everything short of antimaterial rifles. you don't need an AS-50 for hunting or home defense. same applies for assault rifles.

police should be able to own rocket launchers and light machineguns.


also, people need to be educated more on guns. the large majority of rifles sold to civilians that look like assault rifles perform similarly to their early-mid 20th century semiautomatic cousins.

Full auto weapons, .50 caliber rifles, 20mm cannons, etc are classified as class 3 weapons and require a class 3 license. These are documented and kept track of by the ATF. Obtaining these types of weapons is both a lengthy and expensive process.

I don't feel like civilians need military-grade weapons

Slow down. Tell me, which one is more dangerous.

[Sheepocalypse]

China doesn't allow guns, yet there is such thing called a "Black market", and people still cause crime.
We shouldn't ban guns. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.


I remember this one time, I was at some public assembly and a police officer was talking about what you should do if someone breaks into your home. He was saying "Just call 911." My dad was upset, as he has a carry conceal license and is a proud gun owner. He asked the officer, "But what if the person has a knife to your throat?" The cop replies again, "Just call 911." Our police are loving slow, and apparently by this guy's intelligence, also stupid.
What the forget are you supposed to do when you are surrounded by men with guns/knives/any other weapon are raping and killing our family and what, you're supposed to just "Call 911"? forget that, that's guaranteed death right there. You're gonna be pretty forgeted when the government takes your guns and you cant defend yourself. These anti-gun users on the forums might just end up in a situation one day when they hope they really had a gun or some stuff, and they voted for some bullstuff anti weapon thing (which might not even happen, and definitely not be passed.)
Anyway, if a stranger breaks into my home, unarmed or not, I would not hesitate to shoot him, to protect my future or current family depending on the scenario. Guns save lives.

.50 caliber rifles, 20mm cannons, etc are classified as class 3 weapons and require a class 3 license.

You're wrong here. Automatics require a license, yes, but no matter what the caliber (Unless explosive), and is semi automatic is legal.

From left to right: .223, .338 lapua, 50BMG, 20MM Vulcan
This is a 20mm Vulcan sniper rifle. it is $9800. It is for shooting up to 5000 yards, but any civilian with a clean background can buy it.

Also, the 950JDJ, the largest center fire cartridge in the world.

That right there, is 40 dollars per bullet.



Might I also add, guns are mighty fun to shoot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtAAI4xnmzE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_-N9_tnWBo

[Maxwell.]

that looks like a hit with that could just blow a chunk out of you

[sir dooble]

Guns aren't legal here and no one has ever broken into my house, held a knife to my throat, and raped my family.
And I don't fear that people are going to enter my house with guns anyway.

Anyway, to turn your point around, pro-gun users might end up in a situation where someone was easily and legally able to acquire a gun and attempts to use it on you, and you're still in a position where you can't defend yourself with your own gun. Or are you telling me you're a crackshot gun ninja, always ready to blast fools away?

And there's this thing called reasonable force, which you can use to defend yourself. I don't know about you, but I have sharp pointy things and heavy blunt things in my house. They're not even intended as weapons, but if push comes to shove...

that looks like a hit with that could just blow a chunk out of you

Probably wouldn't even need to hit you to do that. Just the air pull behind the round could probably rip you to pieces if it passed by you.

[Donro98]

Slow down. Tell me, which one is more dangerous.

1. I don't know for sure, as you didn't provide the names, what those guns are, though they appear to be, if I am correct, variations of one weapon.

2. That is barely relevant as my knowledge of two different variations of a gun that I have had no experience with and have to research does not necessarily invalidate my point.

3. I don't think one would need either. They are not practical for self-defense, and ultimately you would get the same enjoyment (except if you are a collector, and there should be alternatives such as weapons that don't shoot) if you shot it in a regulated environment.

One would argue "Sure, I don't need either, but I want them." To which I would reply that potentially deadly things generally should not be a "want" issue.

[Sheepocalypse]

Guns aren't legal here and no one has ever broken into my house, held a knife to my throat, and raped my family.

I haven't had a situation when someone broke into my house either, but you could never know. Maybe, your country will go all mad, hypothetically speaking, and start killing their citizens like Syria. Or, maybe your country is attacked and invaded, and your military isn't strong enough, and middle eastern men are shooting up the streets.

[Donro98]

I haven't had a situation when someone broke into my house either, but you could never know. Maybe, your country will go all mad, hypothetically speaking, and start killing their citizens like Syria. Or, maybe your country is attacked and invaded, and your military isn't strong enough, and middle eastern men are shooting up the streets.

We don't make decisions based off of HIGHLY UNLIKELY consequences.

Especially since we don't know every consequence.

[Sheepocalypse]

We don't make decisions based off of HIGHLY UNLIKELY consequences.

Especially since we don't know every consequence.

Crime rate is high in America, especially on the East coast. My neighborhood is generally a good community, but its had break-ins.
America doesn't have the best rep with other countries, so we might have some issues.

[Donro98]

Crime rate is high in America, especially on the East coast. My neighborhood is generally a good community, bit its had break-ins.

Sure, but not every crime is a home invasion where people murder/rape the inhabitants.

[Sheepocalypse]

Sure, but not every crime is a home invasion where people murder/rape the inhabitants.

I'm just giving a hypothetical scenario. Lots of people in America have their home invaded each day (no stuff?), but I wouldn't take the chance.

[Satan From Wreck-It-Ralph]

1. I don't know for sure, as you didn't provide the names, what those guns are, though they appear to be, if I am correct, variations of one weapon.

2. That is barely relevant as my knowledge of two different variations of a gun that I have had no experience with and have to research does not necessarily invalidate my point.

3. I don't think one would need either. They are not practical for self-defense, and ultimately you would get the same enjoyment (except if you are a collector, and there should be alternatives such as weapons that don't shoot) if you shot it in a regulated environment.

One would argue "Sure, I don't need either, but I want them." To which I would reply that potentially deadly things generally should not be a "want" issue.

i'm pretty sure harm has pulled that card before
multiple times
they're the same gun in pretty much everything but aesthetics

[sir dooble]

I haven't had a situation when someone broke into my house either, but you could never know. Maybe, your country will go all mad, hypothetically speaking, and start killing their citizens like Syria. Or, maybe your country is attacked and invaded, and your military isn't strong enough, and middle eastern men are shooting up the streets.

It's unbelievably unlikely that my country will descend into revolution, or tyranny, or that there will be a civil war.
In fact, we've only had 1 civil war in our history, and once it ended and the changes were made, we spent 11 years before we decided we liked it more how it was before.

Or, in the off chance that my country is somehow invaded, and both our standing army, our territorial army of reserves, and the army of our allies (including America, France, Canada, Australia, India and a lot more) are defeated, then I feel that me and my fellow untrained citizens having a gun is going to do very little besides get us killed. At that point I think I might as well accept that I've been conquered.

[Donro98]

i'm pretty sure harm has pulled that card before
multiple times
they're the same gun in pretty much everything but aesthetics

Upon searching google, one is a variation (i think) that allows a bayonet and flash suppressor, though I could be mistaken.

[Zloff]

In America, our forefathers ultimately created the second amendment with the intent to arm the citizens in order to protect us from our own government. It's kind of hard to do such a thing if the government tries to limit us to bolt-actions and guns that do not fire an "armor-piercing" round(basically every rifle round ever)

forget the batfe and their unconstitutional actions

1. I don't know for sure, as you didn't provide the names, what those guns are, though they appear to be, if I am correct, variations of one weapon.

2. That is barely relevant as my knowledge of two different variations of a gun that I have had no experience with and have to research does not necessarily invalidate my point.

3. I don't think one would need either. They are not practical for self-defense, and ultimately you would get the same enjoyment (except if you are a collector, and there should be alternatives such as weapons that don't shoot) if you shot it in a regulated environment.

One would argue "Sure, I don't need either, but I want them." To which I would reply that potentially deadly things generally should not be a "want" issue.

1.-2. I promise they're the same gun

3. Mini-14 > any typical shotgun or bolt-action rifle for defense; comparatively it is shorter, has lighter recoil(commonly chambered in the light-kicking .223), detachable mag that makes loading the rifle from storage quick and easy in an emergency, semiautomatic function means you're not screwed if you miss the first shot-- especially in the case of multiple assailants

Upon searching google, one is a variation (i think) that allows a bayonet and flash suppressor, though I could be mistaken.

The wooden one has a bayonet lug, yes, but they both have the exact same, legal detachable flash hiders already installed