Who killed Mr. Boddy in the study and with what?: the great debate topic™®

[otto-san]

what about killin meat food nerd...

what am i supos 2 use... my spit????

found the big hole... ur ded...

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[Foxscotch]

don't really need guns to kill domesticated cows

[IkeTheGeneric]

we wouldn't have needed them without war, and without war we'd be a lot better off

Too bad, reality's a factor in a debate.

War happened, firearms were created and there isn't much anyone can do to remove them completely.

[Harm94]

we wouldn't have needed them without war, and without war we'd be a lot better off

Without gunpowder powder you wouldn't have rockets, without rockets we would have never been into space.

Besides politicians and nations are too greedy. Animals compete against each other for food, land, and resources. Humans are animals and wars are fought for food, land, and resources.

[Rally]

you're just as likely to trip and fall as a police officer

We have this thing in gun safety courses called 'trigger discipline' which prevents from an accidental discharge in pretty much 99% of cases. It's more complex for a SWAT officer who is often having to navigate rapidly in dark, close quarters, and hostile environments.

It's a rare occurrence that a SWAT team kills a civi on accident. It's a VERY COMMON occurrence where SWAT successfully apprehends or eliminates a dangerous suspect with lethal or non-lethal force. Un-necessary risk still?

we wouldn't have needed them without war, and without war we'd be a lot better off

Yeah buddy I think everyone here would love to live in a world where war and guns didn't exist, but we don't. You can't build LaLa land while ignoring the real world.

[AutoBahn]

we wouldn't have needed them without war, and without war we'd be a lot better off

In an ideal world, we could stop using guns without fear of being curbstomped by a terrorist/dictator/etc, sure. However, this world is far from ideal and there will always be people who will attempt to wage it one way or another.
So tell me, sir diplomat, how do you plan to accomplish such a feat as world peace, where absolutely nobody will willingly resort to violence, ever?

[otto-san]

don't really need guns to kill domesticated cows

ya wel u need gun to kill BIG MAN GAME IN THE WILD

4rl tho if you're talkin in a non-modern sense guns are p important for hunting too. obv that doesn't apply nearly as much in pretty much any situation in a developed country now but if you're making the claim that guns have only ever been for war then i think u gota consider that..

[Foxscotch]

Too bad, reality's a factor in a debate.

not really. I'm talking about what I want, not what I think we should do right now
I think it would be unreasonable to try to get rid of them all at this point. probably impossible. but that doesn't mean that I want them to exist

Without gunpowder powder you wouldn't have rockets, without rockets we would have never been into space.

yeah I'm sure the only reason we ever would have created explosives is for guns
(p.s. nope)

4rl tho if you're talkin in a non-modern sense guns are p important for hunting too

they would be, but hunting itself isn't necessary. by the time guns were made we'd had domesticated animals for plenty of time. hunting wild ones is unnecessary

[IkeTheGeneric]

not really. I'm talking about what I want, not what I think we should do right now
I think it would be unreasonable to try to get rid of them all at this point. probably impossible. but that doesn't mean that I want them to exist

What you want holds no place in a debate. We're debating about whether firearms should be illegal or not, and you really haven't provided a good enough reason for them to be illegal.

[Rally]

not really. I'm talking about what I want, not what I think we should do right now
I think it would be unreasonable to try to get rid of them all at this point. probably impossible. but that doesn't mean that I want them to exist

You want to live in a perfect world where there's no violence and no need for guns? Yeah, you and the rest of us. You wouldn't even need gun control in a world like that though because you could trust everyone with a gun.

You can't trust people, whether they're owning guns or taking them away. Everyone has a motive for everything they do, and they're all aware that we don't live in a perfect world. You can't make political decisions without a reality factor. The fact that your political opinions are aligned to a fantasy world and not the real one is pretty scary.

they would be, but hunting itself isn't necessary. by the time guns were made we'd had domesticated animals for plenty of time. hunting wild ones is unnecessary

Fursuits aren't necessary either. Some people have recreational interests that differ from yours.

[Ipquarx]

so, because a few criminals would have a crude version of something similar to modern guns anyway, we might as well just give them all easy access to very effective ones?

They would be just as effective as our current ones, full auto too probably. Believe it or not organized crime rings are called organized for a reason. Because criminals can get guns, citizens should get guns to be able to defend themselves from criminals, that simple.

[Foxscotch]

What you want holds no place in a debate.

if this was a serious debate, in a situation where real decisions were being made, I would agree with you. but this is on a forum, in a thread with a poll like this

You can't make political decisions without a reality factor. The fact that your political opinions are aligned to a fantasy world and not the real one is pretty scary.

I can't make political decisions anyway. I literally have no political power. so it doesn't particularly matter how I feel about it

Fursuits aren't necessary either. Some people have recreational interests that differ from yours.

you can hunt without guns. if it's just for fun, there's no need to be efficient

[Frankie²]

you can yiff without fursuits too :~)

[Rally]

if this was a serious debate, in a situation where real decisions were being made, I would agree with you. but this is on a forum, in a thread with a poll like this

Does it matter? We're having a serious debate. How is the poll relevant?

I can't make political decisions anyway. I literally have no political power. so it doesn't particularly matter how I feel about it

You are a voter. Although I guess I can sleep a little easier at night knowing you're not going to run for office

you can hunt without guns. if it's just for fun, there's no need to be efficient

You can make a fursuit out of spare mops and this old dirty carpet I found in a dumpster, right?
Some people take interest in guns, just as some people take interest in knives, some in books, some in fursuits, some in toys, ect. Just because you have no value for the hobby doesn't mean nobody else is allowed to enjoy it.

[Foxscotch]

You are a voter.

I'm 17 years old
and even when I'll be able to vote, I don't have any intention to

Some people take interest in guns, just as some people take interest in knives, some in books, some in fursuits, some in toys, ect. Just because you have no value for the hobby doesn't mean nobody else is allowed to enjoy it.

it's not that I don't see the value in it. I've been to a shooting range and shot guns before. it's fun. but I don't like the tool used to do it