Violent standoff of baltimore protesters

[Cantaloupe]

You damn well know that throwing stuff into windows and further worsening a stuffty neighborhood's economy isn't the right way.

These people are only stuffheads who don't care about anything but the spir of the moment "we are black, we can do anything we want, brotherh"

If this was really a civil rights issue, they wouldn't be destroying their own neighborhoods. I've yet to see blacks protesting against the violence that goes on in their neighborhoods, rather than protesting against a white officer killing a black civilian.

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[Aces]

Those words seem pretty true to me. Look at the SJWs who fight male patriarchy and gender injustice by calling males evil stufflords, evil cismales, etc. Do you want to support a group that treats people with hostility? The public reacts better to groups and individuals who don't respond to situations with violence. Ever heard of the black panthers or the Symbionese liberation army.

Yeah you lost me when you're trying to compare SJWs, a bunch of internet people, to actual real world factions.

[ZombiLoin]

You damn well know that throwing stuff into windows and further worsening a stuffty neighborhood's economy isn't the right way.

These people are only stuffheads who don't care about anything but the spir of the moment "we are black, we can do anything we want, brotherh"

and you (should) damn well know that riots are the result of something, they're the result of communities being pushed all the way to the brink and being unable to voice their opinions or have their interests represented peacefully. when you bottle all those feelings up it results in a riot, which is practically a force of nature that cannot be controlled. if you want to prevent riots, you go right to the source and fix the problem on both sides where it counts, and not just stand idly loving by slinging platitudes that people should "wait for their time" or that "violence solves nothing."

no loving stuff violence solves nothing. that's because riots aren't meant to solve anything- they are a symptom of the underlying problems in society, not the cause of it. they are the bottled up, constrained raw emotions, fear, and angers of a community that are let out when it is pushed over the edge by a traumatic incident that is open for everybody to see.

[ZombiLoin]

If this was really a civil rights issue, they wouldn't be destroying their own neighborhoods. I've yet to see blacks protesting against the violence that goes on in their neighborhoods, rather than protesting against a white officer killing a black civilian.

also i'm sorry caribou but could you stop trolling and get banned again. thank you for listening to my suggestion.

[Camel]

You damn well know that throwing stuff into windows and further worsening a stuffty neighborhood's economy isn't the right way.

These people are only stuffheads who don't care about anything but the spir of the moment "we are black, we can do anything we want, brotherh"

i uh

wow

talk about putting words into my mouth, i don't see anywhere in my post where i advocated for buildings being burned, do you? please point it out.

im saying, our idyllic concept of non-violent protest may not be as non-violent as it seems, and if we have to shove a couple of people, so be it.

[Ipquarx]

Yeah you lost me when you're trying to compare SJWs, a bunch of internet people, to actual real world factions.

The point is they're trying to fight problems with violence (in the case of rioting, not SWJs) and hatred, and that just plain doesn't work. It causes far too much harm and does nothing to actually help the cause. It needs to stop.

[Kearn]

our idyllic concept of non-violent police may not be as non-violent as it seems, and if we have to shove a couple of people, so be it.

see what i did there

[Cantaloupe]

and you (should) damn well know that riots are the result of something, they're the result of communities being pushed all the way to the brink and being unable to voice their opinions or have their interests represented peacefully. when you bottle all those feelings up it results in a riot, which is practically a force of nature that cannot be controlled. if you want to prevent riots, you go right to the source and fix the problem on both sides where it counts, and not just stand idly loving by slinging platitudes that people should "wait for their time" or that "violence solves nothing."

no loving stuff violence solves nothing. that's because riots aren't meant to solve anything- they are a symptom of the underlying problems in society, not the cause of it. they are the bottled up, constrained raw emotions, fear, and angers of a community that are let out when it is pushed over the edge by a traumatic incident that is open for everybody to see.

People are able to voice their opinions freely in America, nobody is prohibiting anyone from doing that. The question is: why aren't they voicing their opinions? What's stopping them?

[Camel]

see what i did there

you changed "protest" to "police"

[Harm94]

a-are you honestly comparing internet curse words to act of terrorism? forgive me if i'm misinterpreting this, but that's a really, REALLY big stretch.

You think are doing better job? I didn't know sarcasm and belittling people counted for something.

Yeah you lost me when you're trying to compare SJWs, a bunch of internet people, to actual real world factions.

Violently loud vocal minorities of groups hurt PR and the image of a group. Because these rioters and looters happened at this time, they will be associated with the civil rights movement. Because of that the Civil Rights movement will be looked as the people defending violent starfishs. Likewise the feminist movement does not look good when you have a group of women screaming for the destruction of males.

[Aces]

The point is they're trying to fight problems with violence (in the case of rioting, not SWJs) and hatred, and that just plain doesn't work. It causes far too much harm and does nothing to actually help the cause. It needs to stop.

Yeah no.

Insubordination, rebellion, rioting, etc has been the basis of the majority of changes throughout history.

You're saying that in a country that was founded an maintained on violence that it's suddenly unacceptable to act violent now.

[ZombiLoin]

People are able to voice their opinions freely in America, nobody is prohibiting anyone from doing that. The question is: why aren't they voicing their opinions? What's stopping them?

because it's always being dismissed as the butt-end of jokes, non-problems, the work of criminals (because all protesters and rioters are criminals obviously) and people who would prefer to act like it doesn't exist?

oh wait-

These protesters sure are fighting racism:

muh white guilt
din do nuthin
he a good boy

We should let this die

[Juncoph]

can someone sum up the arguments in this thread without negatively portraying the opposing party

[Swat 3]

and you (should) damn well know that riots are the result of something, they're the result of communities being pushed all the way to the brink and being unable to voice their opinions or have their interests represented peacefully. when you bottle all those feelings up it results in a riot, which is practically a force of nature that cannot be controlled. if you want to prevent riots, you go right to the source and fix the problem on both sides where it counts, and not just stand idly loving by slinging platitudes that people should "wait for their time" or that "violence solves nothing."

no loving stuff violence solves nothing. that's because riots aren't meant to solve anything- they are a symptom of the underlying problems in society, not the cause of it. they are the bottled up, constrained raw emotions, fear, and angers of a community that are let out when it is pushed over the edge by a traumatic incident that is open for everybody to see.

It isn't an easy fix.

The underlying issue is that there are starfish white people and then there are a stuffloads of misunderstandings.

If we need to go to the source, we need to fix the media. It is all biased bullstuff and all it does is spread the rage.
Second, we need to go after the poverty cycle. Change stuff, modify welfare systems, open up new jobs by bringing back old industry from outside countries.

Then we can start properly educating the next generation with better schools and teachers.
It is undeniable that an educated person would do less stupid hive-mind stuff than an uneducated, raised-in-the-hood type of person.

Then we need to start diversifying the police departments with educated black adults in some communities.
Which would then need a overhaul to the gay ass "you need below x IQ" system installed by some police departments.

It is a huge stuff-forget that isn't all 100% pure racism.
Sure, most of is BECAUSE of past examples of racism (segregation, splitting up communities), but it is also economic surge after slaves being freed and people setting down near industrialized cities looking for work. When the poor black people came in to work and those centers failed (two or three times), the white people who were rich enough to move moved and then the black people couldn't and stayed.

Again, it is a huge confusing blob is sadness that we need to fix.

[ZombiLoin]

can someone sum up the arguments in this thread without negatively portraying the opposing party

i'd like to say yes but it's impossible to get an unbiased, objective view from either side due to the emotional fire surrounding this topic.