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Author Topic: Violent standoff of baltimore protesters  (Read 19637 times)

also i'm sorry caribou but could you stop trolling and get banned again. thank you for listening to my suggestion.

If you cant handle facts, then I am not sure what to tell you.

because it's always being dismissed as the butt-end of jokes, non-problems, the work of criminals (because all protesters and rioters are criminals obviously) and people who would prefer to act like it doesn't exist?

oh wait-

I've never heard that before that all protesters and rioters are criminals.


i believe that people only use these "protests" as an excuse for violence and crime

it's like the purge but still illegal

Yeah no.

Insubordination, rebellion, rioting, etc has been the basis of the majority of changes throughout history.

You're saying that in a country that was founded an maintained on violence that it's suddenly unacceptable to act violent now.
Look at the bloody revolutions in Africa. A bunch of dictators get a killed, a group takes power and nothing changed. So another bloody revolution will happen to put the next dictator in power. Look at the French revolution. Violence does not always produce the desired results. The better changes are from the inside at a slower pace. Compare the 1980s to now. Back then mixed couples were un-heard of, being gay was frowned upon. Toward its more socially acceptable. Those things are still looked frowned upon, however many small changes over time got us here.
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Look at the bloody revolutions in Africa. A bunch of dictators get a killed, a group takes power and nothing changed. So another bloody revolution will happen to put the next dictator in power. Look at the French revolution. Violence does not always produce the desired results.
Look at the American Revolution- oh wait.


Yeah no.

Insubordination, rebellion, rioting, etc has been the basis of the majority of changes throughout history.

You're saying that in a country that was founded an maintained on violence that it's suddenly unacceptable to act violent now.
It sure as hell is when it isn't doing anything to solve the problem and causes nothing but harm in the process.

yeah im just gonna never return to this thread again goodbye

and you (should) damn well know that riots are the result of something, they're the result of communities being pushed all the way to the brink and being unable to voice their opinions or have their interests represented peacefully. when you bottle all those feelings up it results in a riot, which is practically a force of nature that cannot be controlled. if you want to prevent riots, you go right to the source and fix the problem on both sides where it counts, and not just stand idly loving by slinging platitudes that people should "wait for their time" or that "violence solves nothing."

no loving stuff violence solves nothing. that's because riots aren't meant to solve anything- they are a symptom of the underlying problems in society, not the cause of it. they are the bottled up, constrained raw emotions, fear, and angers of a community that are let out when it is pushed over the edge by a traumatic incident that is open for everybody to see.
i'm going to repost this because people have the misconception that riots are something that can be controlled or maintained.

Look at the bloody revolutions in Africa. A bunch of dictators get a killed, a group takes power and nothing changed. So another bloody revolution will happen to put the next dictator in power. Look at the French revolution. Violence does not always produce the desired results. The better changes are from the inside at a slower pace. Compare the 1980s to now. Back then mixed couples were un-heard of, being gay was frowned upon. Toward its more socially acceptable. Those things are still looked frowned upon, however many small changes over time got us here.
After the French Revolution Napoleon was taken care of afterwards.
And it sure as hell wasn't done by sitting around and pretending like everything will fix itself.

Violence doesn't produce desirable results while non-violence has an even smaller probability of producing any results.

also

maybe it's just me

but if you only care about windows and squad cars once every year, during a riot, you might not really care about windows and squad cars

After the French Revolution Napoleon was taken care of afterwards.
And it sure as hell wasn't done by sitting around and pretending like everything will fix itself.

Violence doesn't produce desirable results while non-violence has an even smaller probability of producing any results.
The point is that trashing entire cities does nothing to get rid of the very (very) small percentage of tribal cops that cause all these bad things to happen. There are tons of non-violent ways to try to weed them out, and exactly zero ways that involve destroying everything in sight.

It isn't an easy fix.

The underlying issue is that there are starfish white people and then there are a stuffloads of misunderstandings.

If we need to go to the source, we need to fix the media. It is all biased bullstuff and all it does is spread the rage.
Second, we need to go after the poverty cycle. Change stuff, modify welfare systems, open up new jobs by bringing back old industry from outside countries.

Then we can start properly educating the next generation with better schools and teachers.
It is undeniable that an educated person would do less stupid hive-mind stuff than an uneducated, raised-in-the-hood type of person.

Then we need to start diversifying the police departments with educated black adults in some communities.
Which would then need a overhaul to the gay ass "you need below x IQ" system installed by some police departments.

It is a huge stuff-forget that isn't all 100% pure racism.
Sure, most of is BECAUSE of past examples of racism (segregation, splitting up communities), but it is also economic surge after slaves being freed and people setting down near industrialized cities looking for work. When the poor black people came in to work and those centers failed (two or three times), the white people who were rich enough to move moved and then the black people couldn't and stayed.

Again, it is a huge confusing blob is sadness that we need to fix.
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This stuff is blotting out breaking news here in St Louis.

I'm calling this Ferguson v2.

The point is that trashing entire cities does nothing to get rid of the very (very) small percentage of tribal cops that cause all these bad things to happen.
You know the amount of tribal cops in a police system? Do enlighten me.
There are tons of non-violent ways to try to weed them out, and exactly zero ways that involve destroying everything in sight.
Such as...?

The "riots" in Ferguson got us a new Attorney General so I don't see how activity didn't help.