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Author Topic: Violent standoff of baltimore protesters  (Read 19649 times)

The "riots" in Ferguson got us a new Attorney General

Quote from: Joe Biden
"Loretta Lynch... is cut from the exact same cloth [as Holder]"

Baltimore needs a Rudy Giulanni (former Mayor of New York who saved the city). Once one bottle is thrown, that's when the police should act and make immediate arrests.

Baltimore needs a Rudy Giulanni (former Mayor of New York who saved the city). Once one bottle is thrown, that's when the police should act and make immediate arrests.
ah yes, new york. a bastion of serenity and peace


Where was the implication that Holder was bad or wrong? He resigned of his own will following the events in Ferguson, not as if he was thrown out.

Loretta Lynch, preferably, is going to be more active in reforms and pick up the slack where Holder couldn't.

ah yes, new york. a bastion of serenity and peace

Yes, used to have the highest murder rate in all of America. Now that title has gone to Chicago, keep in mind NYC is America's most populated city.

You know the amount of tribal cops in a police system? Do enlighten me.
I don't know the exact amount, but I can tell you it's at least a relatively small amount. These incidents are fairly spaced out, which means one of two things.
1: several hundreds of thousands of tribal cops are waiting for the right moment to strike
2: there aren't that many tribal cops

Which one of these makes more sense? Another thing to note is that in terms of the entire population, most people aren't tribal.

And yes, there are many non-violent ways, such as screening people for tribal tendencies, community outreach programs, therapy sessions, stuff like that. If there was more of that, there would be fewer incidents. They wouldn't be entirely eliminated, but they never will be, no matter what anyone does.

Truth be told, I have no idea why this has been turned into a race issue. The vast majority of Baltimore's PD is black, so is the demographic makeup of the city. I cant understand how this turned into a national issue.

1: several hundreds of thousands of tribal cops are waiting for the right moment to strike
2: there aren't that many tribal cops
Yeah thanks for the ultimatum but I'm going to just interject my own theory:
3. There is a moderate number of cops that are tribal, but are not that stupid as to commit to something as large as killing someone.
4. Maybe even if the only cops that were tribal or prejudiced were the ones we see on the news, maybe if you could even count them on one hand, the police system still allows such cops to benefit and act in certain tribal ways.
And yes, there are many non-violent ways, such as screening people for tribal tendencies, community outreach programs, therapy sessions, stuff like that. If there was more of that, there would be fewer incidents. They wouldn't be entirely eliminated, but they never will be, no matter what anyone does.
Yeah you're listing things that the police departments themselves are responsible for, not the people. We pay taxes to fund police and police-centered programs. They exist to partake in these programs for us.

So yes, if there were more of those, maybe we wouldn't encounter these incidents. The problem is there's no telling when they're going to implement those programs within themselves.

I'm not gonna try to argue with you on the first point because both of our points are just theories and it's rather besides the point.

Yeah you're listing things that the police departments themselves are responsible for, not the people. We pay taxes to fund police and police-centered programs. They exist to partake in these programs for us.

So yes, if there were more of those, maybe we wouldn't encounter these incidents. The problem is there's no telling when they're going to implement those programs within themselves.
All those things would be funded for by tax-payers, since it would be the police force running them, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. And you're right, there is no way to tell, but tearing apart cities isn't going to get them to implement potentially very expensive programs to reduce racism, especially considering they'd be spending a lot more of their budget on actually defending the city, buying new squad cars, stuff like that. Expensiiiiive. If the community were to say, try and get in touch with the police chief or community relations manager within their local police force, set up a meeting and calmly discuss the issues they'd have a significantly higher chance of having the stuff actually implemented, or at least getting a second opinion on things.

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All those things would be funded for by tax-payers, since it would be the police force running them, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. And you're right, there is no way to tell, but tearing apart cities isn't going to get them to implement potentially very expensive programs to reduce racism, especially considering they'd be spending a lot more of their budget on actually defending the city, buying new squad cars, stuff like that. Expensiiiiive. If the community were to say, try and get in touch with the police chief or community relations manager within their local police force, set up a meeting and calmly discuss the issues they'd have a significantly higher chance of having the stuff actually implemented, or at least getting a second opinion on things.
The national guard would actually be the ones mainly utilizing their money to stop large-scale riots, also included in taxes.
A city police force will always have SWAT teams and reserves for buying new squad cars. They will not go broke I promise you.

Also  reminder that these expensive programs and screenings (which in actuality aren't going to cut a hole in a police budget) are your idea specifically, not mine.

kind of disturbing how things within almost immediate reach such as more cars is prioritized over teaching cops to be less tribal, instead of actually firing and imprisoning prejudiced cops.
If the community were to say, try and get in touch with the police chief or community relations manager within their local police force, set up a meeting and calmly discuss the issues they'd have a significantly higher chance of having the stuff actually implemented, or at least getting a second opinion on things.
That would be ideal but then it'd look even worse when they kill another unarmed civilian despite these systems being miraculously put in place with just a few meetings or gatherings.

No worker needs a specialized program on how to do their job right outside of basic training.
Once again, it's no responsibility of civilians to ask cops how to treat them.

I'm not gonna try to argue with you on the first point because both of our points are just theories and it's rather besides the point.
All those things would be funded for by tax-payers, since it would be the police force running them, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. And you're right, there is no way to tell, but tearing apart cities isn't going to get them to implement potentially very expensive programs to reduce racism, especially considering they'd be spending a lot more of their budget on actually defending the city, buying new squad cars, stuff like that. Expensiiiiive. If the community were to say, try and get in touch with the police chief or community relations manager within their local police force, set up a meeting and calmly discuss the issues they'd have a significantly higher chance of having the stuff actually implemented, or at least getting a second opinion on things.
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Yes! More of this. More of this would DEFINITELY be of great help, along with the other things I mentioned.

The national guard would actually be the ones mainly utilizing their money to stop large-scale riots, also included in taxes.
A city police force will always have SWAT teams and reserves for buying new squad cars. They will not go broke I promise you.

Also  reminder that these expensive programs and screenings (which in actuality aren't going to cut a hole in a police budget) are your idea specifically, not mine.
(1st line) Fair enough, but y'know, taxpayer money. Not exactly ideal.
(2nd line) Yeah it's my idea, I'm not a genius or expert in the police force by any stretch of the imagination, just the fact that I can come up with 3 different nonviolent ways to potentially reduce the number of tribal cops and hence the number of incidents definitely does say something about the current state of events.

kind of disturbing how things within almost immediate reach such as more cars is prioritized over teaching cops to be less tribal, instead of actually firing and imprisoning prejudiced cops.

That would be ideal but then it'd look even worse when they kill another unarmed civilian despite these systems being miraculously put in place with just a few meetings or gatherings.

No worker needs a specialized program on how to do their job right outside of basic training.
Once again, it's no responsibility of civilians to ask cops how to treat them.
(1st line) Well, like I said, I don't know why there aren't more preventative programs out there, but I know that cop cars are important for how they go about doing their business. Also, you can't arrest someone just for being tribal, though they defeinitely can be fired or not hired in the first place because of it.

(2nd line) I don't know, if the mass media doesn't sensationalize it like they always do then it wouldn't make them look worse I don't think. Mistakes happen, people fall through the cracks, people lie and manipulate, there are some pretty forgeted up people and I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were psychopaths on the police force. No amount of preventative measures are going to help with that unfortunately. Of course it's a tragedy when someones life is cut short, but there's only so much you can do to prevent it.

(3rd line) I disagree, some people clearly can't do their jobs well enough and it puts peoples lives in danger. If you're trying to say that it shouldn't be necessary then I agree, but unfortunately that's not something that can be realized. If you have enough power to gun down at least 1 person whenever you so desired you need to know exactly when to use that power and exactly when not to. And you're right, it's not our direct responsibility, but clearly the police force isn't doing it well enough on their own. This country is driven by the people, and if the people see that something's wrong that's not going to fix itself then I would say action definitely is needed, but in this scenario, not violent action.