Boston Bomber Dzhokar Tsarnaev Sentenced to Death

[Cantaloupe]

It's quite depressing to me how you guys are more concerned about the way in which this animal is killed, rather than congratulating the jury for their remarkable decisions and for putting these families out of their misery.

I'm not entirely against the death penalty. I think it's pointless and makes our nation come off as barbaric, but ultimately it doesn't anger me because the people who get sentenced to death have no business on this planet anyway.

However, if you're going to support the death penalty, at least be straight about why you're doing it. The two reasons that people support the death penalty are revenge and amusement. The families of the Boston bombing victims want him dead so that they can feel like their loved ones' deaths are 'avenged'. Likewise, everyone else wants him dead so that they can chuckle and mutter to themselves, "Hah, bastard got what he deserved!". The point of the justice system is to do neither of those, but rather to isolate dangerous people from the rest of society. Both life imprisonment and execution accomplish that, but execution is far more expensive (by account of all sources).

If we're going to talk about the justice system, the death sentence is used for people who are charged with such major offenses and one purpose of it is to give the families' some relief. If it means killing the man, so be it.

I think Cantaloupe's ancestors might disagree.

What implication are you trying to make? None of my ancestors were slave-owners and I know that for a fact, so pls. Only my dad is Jewish and his family came to the US many years before the Holocaust.

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[Nonnel]

I think Cantaloupe's ancestors might disagree.

oh stuff lmao

[77x5ghost2]

noice

[e-maxx]

I think Cantaloupe's ancestors might disagree.

[SeventhSandwich]

If we're going to talk about the justice system, the death sentence is used for people who are charged with such major offenses and one purpose of it is to give the families' some relief. If it means killing the man, so be it.

No, the purpose of the justice system is not to provide the plaintiff's families with emotional catharsis. The purpose is to separate the criminal from society. That's all. If that's the justification for spending tax money on these kinds of cases, then it should be illegal.

What implication are you trying to make? None of my ancestors were slave-owners and I know that for a fact, so pls.

If your ancestors were slave-owners, they probably wouldn't lynch them anyway since they've gotta have someone to pick their crops.

[Nonnel]

What implication are you trying to make? Only my dad is Jewish and his family came to the US many years before the Holocaust.

this makes less sense

[Cantaloupe]

No, the purpose of the justice system is not to provide the plaintiff's families with emotional catharsis. The purpose is to separate the criminal from society. That's all. If that's the justification for spending tax money on these kinds of cases, then it should be illegal.
If your ancestors were slave-owners, they probably wouldn't lynch them anyway since they've gotta have someone to pick their crops.

It's not only that, here are some other reasons as to why the death penalty may be used:

"Incapacitation: A felon in prison cannot commit crimes while imprisoned. An executed felon cannot commit a crime ever again.
2. Deterrence: The threat of punishment deters people from engaging in illegal acts.

3. Restitution: The felon is required to take some action to at least partially return the victim to the status quo ante.

4. Retribution: The felon harmed society; therefore society (or the direct victims) is entitled to inflict harm in return.

5. Rehabilitation: The punishment changes the felon in order to make him a better citizen afterwards. (The punishment can include mandatory vocational training, counseling, drug treatment, etc. (http://home.page.ch/pub/rfm@vtx.ch/punishment.html)

Also where are you trying to get at? I just said that they weren't slave owners.

this makes less sense

I'm really confused.

[Machaty]

"Cases without the death penalty cost $740,000, while cases where the death penalty is sought cost $1.26 million. Maintaining each death row prisoner costs taxpayers $90,000 more per year than a prisoner in general population. There are 714 inmates on California's death row."
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
Just for reference. Also, I guess I'll reiterate what I said earlier. Torture is horrible and evil, and if you ever witnessed it you would be very disturbed. Two wrongs don't make a right. He should be executed because he is a threat, his suffering won't save the lives lost in the Boston bombing.

[SeventhSandwich]

Only my dad is Jewish and his family came to the US many years before the Holocaust.

It's not only that, here are some other reasons as to why the death penalty may be used:

"Incapacitation: A felon in prison cannot commit crimes while imprisoned.

I'm sorry, I thought we were arguing death penalty versus life imprisonment. Do you see the problem here?

[Cantaloupe]

I'm sorry, I thought we were arguing death penalty versus life imprisonment. Do you see the problem here?

Woah, woah, woah, woah! Now you're taking things right out of your ass. Hold up there, partner! Mind quoting to me posts you consider to be "tribal"? Anything that doesn't directly say anything tribal is not tribal. It may be something you disagree with, and it doesn't mean that it is tribal. I've said a ton of things, without the mention of race (and other people are the ones to bring race into nearly everything), and I instantly become accused of being a tribal.

[SeventhSandwich]

Woah, woah, woah, woah! Now you're taking things right out of your ass. Hold up there, partner! Mind quoting to me posts you consider to be "tribal"? Anything that doesn't directly say anything tribal is not tribal. It may be something you disagree with, and it doesn't mean that it is tribal.

http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=266645.0

This thread is pretty much the entirety of it. You subtlety (and later blatantly) accused black people and minorities of being lazy inferiors who earned their place in society all by themselves. Then you accused me of 'supporting whites being segregated' and then committed forum Self Delete and got permanently banned.

Literally everyone in that thread agreed that your posts (and you, by extension) were tribal.

But we're talking about the death penalty, yes?

5. Rehabilitation: The punishment changes the felon in order to make him a better citizen afterwards. (The punishment can include mandatory vocational training, counseling, drug treatment, etc. (http://home.page.ch/pub/rfm@vtx.ch/punishment.html)

How can you possibly interpret this as a reason to keep the death penalty? Do you even read the stuff you copy paste off of the internet?

 

[Cantaloupe]

http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=266645.0

This thread is pretty much the entirety of it. You subtlety (and later blatantly) accused black people and minorities of being lazy inferiors who earned their place in society all by themselves. Then you accused me of 'supporting whites being segregated' and then committed forum Self Delete and got permanently banned.

Literally everyone in that thread agreed that your posts (and you, by extension) were tribal.

But we're talking about the death penalty, yes?

 

"Looks more to me like 100+ blacks attacking random whites, I didn't see one white face running in the video. All 100 of these kids should be charged with assault, and aggravated assault. This is a hate crime committed."

"No it is not the truth, there is a substantial difference. When it is being reported, there is no mention of race while with Trayvon Martin it was said to be "racially-motivated", and on the news you always heard it being reported as a white man killing a black man. With this, there is no talk of race even though this is a black-on-white hate crime. Not to mention, after Trayvon was killed there were riots in most big US cities and it was all over social media. It was so mainstream, that even Obama spoke out about it and the Reverend Al Sharpton."

I didn't see anything tribal in those posts, I said nothing derogatory unless you misinterpreted the posts.

[SeventhSandwich]

I didn't see anything tribal in those posts, I said nothing derogatory unless you misinterpreted the posts.

You plucked two posts out of a very long thread. Please read the following article and then try again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_%28fallacy%29

[Cantaloupe]

You plucked two posts out of a very long thread. Please read the following article and then try again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_%28fallacy%29

I object

[ZombiLoin]

It's quite depressing to me how you guys are more concerned about the way in which this animal is killed, rather than congratulating the jury for their remarkable decisions and for putting these families out of their misery.

WHAT THE forget?! HOW HYPOCRITICAL CAN YOU GET!?