Salinas California Police Department caught beating a man

[SeventhSandwich]

Why would it be tribal if I were to say something negative about some impoverished people? I fail to understand that.

You still think that putting the word 'some' excuses you from responsibility.

Anyway, generalizing poor people doesn't make you tribal but it makes you an starfish. The reason you're a tribal is because you have a terribly forgeted up perspective on how race and opportunity works in the United States.

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[Camel]

seventh

i think you need to throw in the towel. there's no winning against caribou

[SeventhSandwich]

seventh

i think you need to throw in the towel. there's no winning against caribou

You know, I just wish he'd flat out say what he's thinking. What does he honestly have to lose? Everyone here is already convinced he's a tribal, so why does he even bother trying to muddle it any longer?

[Master Shadow Phoenix]

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i think you need to throw in the towel. there's no winning against caribou

You still want to continue with the marbles?

[Camel]

what else can be said about the marble allegory without caribou admitting he knows nothing of the dichotomy of the red marble

[Cantaloupe]

You still think that putting the word 'some' excuses you from responsibility.

Anyway, generalizing poor people doesn't make you tribal but it makes you an starfish. The reason you're a tribal is because you have a terribly forgeted up perspective on how race and opportunity works in the United States.

What do you think my view is on race and opportunity in America? Even if I did have a biased view on race  and opportunity in America (not saying I do), that would not make me tribal, it would just make me look like I am not informed enough.

You know, I just wish he'd flat out say what he's thinking. What does he honestly have to lose? Everyone here is already convinced he's a tribal, so why does he even bother trying to muddle it any longer?

I have nothing to lose, and I have nothing to prove to you at this stage. If that's what you want to believe, that is up to you.

[Master Shadow Phoenix]

what else can be said about the marble allegory without caribou admitting he knows nothing of the dichotomy of the red marble

Caribou doesn't have any to begin with. The colors don't matter. I'll let you figure out what those "marbles" are.

[ZombiLoin]

Statistically in inner cities, blacks tend to be poorer than whites, but at a national level the whites are the poorest.

Bullstuff. Stratified samples of median household income show that blacks are overall the poorest race.
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_10_SF4_B19013&prodType=table

so we've established that caribou deliberately falsifies facts to fit his agenda. awesome.

i personally think this destroys any remaining credibility he has and nobody should ever take him seriously any more so help you god.

[SeventhSandwich]

What do you think my view is on race and opportunity in America? Even if I did have a biased view on race  and opportunity in America (not saying I do), that would not make me tribal, it would just make me look like I am not informed enough.

Instead of answering this by pulling out all the crazy stuff you've said in past threads, I have a better idea.

Why don't you tell me what your view is? I'll give you an opportunity to rewrite your perspective on race so that we all clearly know what you believe in.

I have some ground rules though. Do not use the words 'some', 'many', or 'most'. If you are going to refer to a subset of a certain population (i.e. black people, poor people, etc), use a percentage number. Other than that, tell me what your view is.

[Cantaloupe]

Instead of answering this by pulling out all the crazy stuff you've said in past threads, I have a better idea.

Why don't you tell me what your view is? I'll give you an opportunity to rewrite your perspective on race so that we all clearly know what you believe in.

I have some ground rules though. Do not use the words 'some', 'many', or 'most'. If you are going to refer to a subset of a certain population (i.e. black people, poor people, etc), use a percentage number. Other than that, tell me what your view is.

I think that African Americans are disadvantaged due to the fact that many live in poverty, and in homes without fathers and good schools nearby. In 2012, 72% of African American births were out of wedlock (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360990/latest-statistics-out-wedlock-births-roger-clegg). Another problem facing the African American community which makes them disadvantaged is the fact that they have the highest incarceration rate for any other race in the nation, which is something that can really disturb an entire family, let alone a community.

[SeventhSandwich]

Another problem facing the African American community which makes them disadvantaged is the fact that they have the highest incarceration rate for any other race in the nation, which is something that can really disturb an entire family, let alone a community.

Why do you think the incarceration rate is so high?

[Cantaloupe]

Why do you think the incarceration rate is so high?

I think that the incarceration rate among African Americans is so high because of their lack of resources (decent schools, a father figure, the environments that many live in, which sadly tend to be plagued with crime and poverty). That is not to say that you should copy your surroundings, however, some people will always get caught up in these things. The one thing I will say though, is that there are many successful males in this world who did not have father figures. I don't get why it makes a difference if you have a father or not, being that tons of kids are born fatherless, and they still are able to live their lives comfortably, but that's a different story.

[SeventhSandwich]

I think that the incarceration rate among African Americans is so high because of their lack of resources (decent schools, a father figure, the environments that many live in, which sadly tend to be plagued with crime and poverty).

This is a completely different philosophy than what you were preaching months ago. I don't understand why you've chosen to defend what you've said in the past if your current views are different.

The one thing I will say though, is that there are many successful males in this world who did not have father figures. I don't get why it makes a difference if you have a father or not, being that tons of kids are born fatherless, and they still are able to live their lives comfortably, but that's a different story.

My philosophy on this is that nothing happens in a vacuum. Even if some people can persevere, it doesn't mean that the people who suffered under adversity could have also persevered. There are other factors going on at the same time, and not every person born without a father has the same conditions as every other person born without a father.

[Cantaloupe]

This is a completely different philosophy than what you were preaching months ago. I don't understand why you've chosen to defend what you've said in the past if your current views are different.
My philosophy on this is that nothing happens in a vacuum. Even if some people can persevere, it doesn't mean that the people who suffered under adversity could have also persevered. There are other factors going on at the same time, and not every person born without a father has the same conditions as every other person born without a father.

I've toned down a bit in recent months, and I should of mentioned that, but I defended what I said in the past because what I said was not tribal. It may of been extremely arrogant and close-minded, but I don't think it was tribal, and it was not intended on being tribal.

[SeventhSandwich]

I've toned down a bit in recent months, and I should of mentioned that, but I defended what I said in the past because what I said was not tribal. It may of been extremely arrogant and close-minded, but I don't think it was tribal, and it was not intended on being tribal.

Whether or not it was intended to be tribal doesn't really matter. If you say something that blames an entire race of people for disadvantages outside of their control, it's tribal. It's just what that word means. The fact that you do not consciously hate that group of people doesn't change the content of what you said.

However, I'm much more accustomed to dealing with ideas rather than reputations. Your view on race, as you've described it now, is completely different than what you were saying before. As it stands right now, I don't have any problem with it, and so I don't have any problem with you.