Author Topic: ISideWith 2016 US President Election  (Read 29901 times)

So you believe that government is the real thing keeping us all from killing one another.

Government != The law

If murder was legal, you can almost guarantee that murder rates are going to go up. It's pretty much common sense and anyone who tries to argue with it is just a handicapped contrarian

If murder was legal,
I'm going to take this opportunity to say that that The Purge was the dumbest loving movie

And all my "friends" that liked the movie are now targets when the purge actually happens  :cookieMonster:

Laws just say what you can and can't do and you will be punished if you get caught violating those rules. There is no cosmic entity that will stop or prevent a crime from happening. Very rarely do police arrive in time to stop something. If it's a bank robbery sure they might surround the area, but if someone is getting mugged or beaten up chances are the thugs doing it have already fled by the time you arrive. They also taught us that you can drive down a street and not see anything, and it true. When you are driving you are mostly focusing on the road, not some much on what's going on to the sides of you. Plus people learn to spot police cars really fast and the moment that guy with a slim jim trying to break into car sees a patrol car he his going to try and blend in or hide. Then you are going to get a call later saying there is an autotheft being a reported and you will think "son of bitch I just drove down that street". Patrol is basically only a brief deterrent.

Two things you are probably guaranteed to roll up on are robberies at a bank or store and a domestic dispute between couples.

Also to in order to punish someone for breaking the law, you have to catch them first. What I hate about the cop shows is that they are so unrealistic. You have the crying wife who found out that her husband is dead and the confident detectives walks and says "Don't worry mam, I promise do everything in my power to find this man and we'll catch him". First of all you never make promises, and second unlike the TV shows where the detectives use forensics and smart guesses and they catch the bad guy in 24 hours simply does not happen in real life. In real life detectives are working multiple cases at once and don't have the time to focus on just one case. Forensics is expensive, it's not worth it to have a lab come out for every little crime. Most of the time those cases don't even get solved for many reasons like be buried under tons of work, or the suspect just drops of the earth and is living somewhere else under a new name, maybe there is insufficient evidence to, maybe the guy who did it died. Heck my last professor said he still has a stack of cold cases from the 90s and early 2000s.


In spite of all this we can still count on extreme liberals saying people don't need to carry guns and that the police can protect you better!  :cookieMonster:

So you believe that government is the real thing keeping us all from killing one another.  I'd chock that up to natural law/conscience; it's also worth noting that retribution is not completely dependent upon law (although it ought to be).  Law does not make something morally right or wrong, law may reflect it, but it doesn't define it as so, and in the end law will not affect the morality of killing or anything else except in the minds of political pawns.
the main thing about law is that it exists as a way to punish deviance and encourage conformity to the accepted 'rules.' when someone gets thrown in jail for murder, that shows everyone that murder isn't appreciated, that you will be punished for it, and it reinforces the accepted rule. law is a sociological system that functions as a way to regulate and maintain the accepted order within a society. it absolutely is a major factor "keeping us all from killing one another." why do you think people share such a common sense of what is lawful within a country or general jurisdiction? because the law of that land has been upheld to support it. even more primitive tribes would have simple law and punishment for deviance. it's what brings order to society on a larger scale.

What the actual forget happened in this thread? lol

In spite of all this we can still count on extreme liberals saying people don't need to carry guns and that the police can protect you better!  :cookieMonster:
The thing that always gets me, talking to my friends who plan on voting, is how uninformed the majority of them are. One of my friends wants to vote for Hillary, that should be self explanatory.

-conu'ism-
uh oh........
ur a soshulist! You hate AMERICA!

The thing that always gets me, talking to my friends who plan on voting, is how uninformed the majority of them are. One of my friends wants to vote for Hillary, that should be self explanatory.
Because someone doesn't agree with your beliefs means that they're stupid?
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Because someone doesn't agree with your beliefs means that they're stupid?
I'm pretty sure anyone including me who complains about this is a massive hypocrite or everyone is just blind to the fact that it happens all the time on this forum and outside of it

ur a soshulist! You hate AMERICA!
Because someone doesn't agree with your beliefs means that they're stupid?
No. It's because they're willing to vote for a candidate who is clearly dishonest and manipulative. You literally took something I didn't say, claimed I said it, and then refuted said false statement. Look at her tenure as Secretary of State for examples of said unethical behavior.
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In spite of all this we can still count on extreme liberals saying people don't need to carry guns and that the police can protect you better!
Me with a gun will always make me feel safer than a cop with a gun who's a phone call and 20 minutes away

And it'll probably keep me safer too

No. It's because they're willing to vote for a candidate who is clearly dishonest and manipulative.
what's most likely happening is that they look at her politics and say "yeah i agree with this," not considering her character, defaulting to the ideal situation that she is a politician that sticks to her politics

which is a fair assumption to make, and what you would expect from someone, but of course these are people we're talking about, and they aren't infallible.

i may agree a fair deal with hillary's politics, but i'm unsure at this point of how much i actually trust her as a president. we'll see how things develop in the race, i guess. but hey. i agree with bernie more and i certainly have a good feeling about him

what's most likely happening is that they look at her politics and say "yeah i agree with this," not considering her character, defaulting to the ideal situation that she is a politician that sticks to her politics

which is a fair assumption to make, and what you would expect from someone, but of course these are people we're talking about, and they aren't infallible.

i may agree a fair deal with hillary's politics, but i'm unsure at this point of how much i actually trust her as a president. we'll see how things develop in the race, i guess.
We'll see how things develop.

Me with a gun will always make me feel safer than a cop with a gun who's a phone call and 20 minutes away

And it'll probably keep me safer too
Last time I had to call the police to come, it was in the middle of the summer and the police station is no more than 5 minutes away, but it took them a good 10 minutes to get here, and it was a fairly serious call. I wouldn't want to gamble that the police would get to my home in time.

i have a police+fire station literally right outside the neighbourhood. like, i can see it from my house. if i ever have to call either, and they aren't here approximately immediately, i will be severely disappointed. unless they're out on another call or somethin i guess but WOWE what an unfortunate irony that would be!!!

i have a police+fire station literally right outside the neighbourhood. like, i can see it from my house. if i ever have to call either, and they aren't here approximately immediately, i will be severely disappointed. unless they're out on another call or somethin i guess but WOWE what an unfortunate irony that would be!!!
Well you're lucky to live so close to law enforcement. Not everyone is as fortunate.