Author Topic: This is why I kept my views on feminism away from my family.  (Read 30054 times)

I'm forgeted up? You're attempting to moralize it by denying the fact that it is taking another human's life. It is murder, whether or not you wish to realize it.
dear god lynch me every time i go to exfoliate my skin or cut my nails
taking away cells from by body for shame.

No, no it's not.
Deliberate ending of another human's life without their consent. How is it not murder?
By "the radicals", I am talking about whatever you may consider "feminism taken too far"
Unless you consider the whole movement as "feminism taken too far" Even simply "I support the equality of genders" feminists? They are part of that spectrum. You must be a mega national socialist or something.
Feminism, the way it is represented as a whole, is not taken too far necessarily in terms of radicalization, but just incorrectness. I don't understand how anyone who actually believes in equality can believe that equality is one-sided. Even in the dictionary definition feminists love so much, it says "for women".

Deliberate ending of another human's life without their consent. How is it not murder?
Because it's not a human life, and they can't give consent

do you consider eating eggs as eating chicken

Deliberate ending of another human's life without their consent. How is it not murder?
You're not ending a human's life.

You're cutting away cells. Mitochondria are not sentient creatures. They are lifeless masses of protein that abide by the laws of chemistry to perform tasks.

Except that also includes men, which feminists forget, ruling out any possibility of equality under feminism.
I think I understand where this is coming from, you're saying that because women and men have actual differences, cognitive and physicality-wise, that they can never be equal?

I'd also like to clear up some confusion here: What exactly do you mean by feminism? Do you mean the textbook definition "Women should be equal to men" or some other mess of definitions? Even within feminist circles, there are clashing ideas. That's the problem with using the term feminism here, you really should be more specific if you want this discussion to get anywhere (And I know you want it to)

Because it's not a human life, and they can't give consent
How is it not a human life? It is the offspring of a human, it has the DNA of a human, the EVERYTHING ELSE of a human. Of course it can't give consent! Now you see the problem!

How is it not a human life? It is the offspring of a human, it has the DNA of a human, the EVERYTHING ELSE of a human. Of course it can't give consent! Now you see the problem!
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How is it not a human life? It is the offspring of a human, it has the DNA of a human, the EVERYTHING ELSE of a human. Of course it can't give consent!
By this logic so is the puss that flows out from my ingrown toe.

It has my DNA, it has the everything else of a human. Better abort my loving toe.

How is it not a human life? It is the offspring of a human, it has the DNA of a human, the EVERYTHING ELSE of a human. Of course it can't give consent! Now you see the problem!
so is cancer. and you. but i'm thinking we should deal with both the same way.

How is it not a human life? It is the offspring of a human, it has the DNA of a human, the EVERYTHING ELSE of a human. Of course it can't give consent! Now you see the problem!
Has it got a consciousness?

give me 5 reasons why this is a human and it should be saved


as a general rule i choose to believe someone when they say they believe something, because they're the authority on their own beliefs. it's not my business to move the goalposts and define what a ""real"" follower of that belief looks like, even as a follower myself. this is an inherently selfish tactic because the only purpose is to distance yourself from people you don't like.

i can, however, contend that, as a result of that mindset, there are a massive variety of individuals that would be defined as followers, and so it doesn't quite make sense to say that one person's beliefs accurately represent everyone else's. i'm speaking generally because this applies to any conceivable conflict of value. humans love to try and find patterns where they don't exist. if i see that a religious group is being incredibly aggressive and offensive, my first instinct will be to assume that followers of that religion are all in some way the same. if i see that an individual is overtly obnoxious about their political beliefs, as a human being, i'll probably assume that's a result of that political belief. the problem with both of these is that they are not logical conclusions because they're based on an individual's personality, and how that effects their expression, and not what they appear to be expressing. my problem with these people isn't that i disagree with them, it's that they're just unpleasant individuals. it simply doesn't make sense to extend that personality onto something that is by no means human, nor dependent on that individual to exist. if there appears to be a pattern, it likely stems from a common source. going back to that religious group, the problem lies in that group's individual doctrine (though there has to be something within the participants which enables them to take part from the start). if you see a pattern where there is seemingly no connection between the individuals, it is most likely a case of personality.

i would like to also point out that, though it is obvious when stated, an abstract concept cannot significantly subvert and alter one's inner self unless it already has a foothold, and it cannot force that change upon someone unless another individual is involved that forces it. the point of saying this is that someone can't have their fundamental personality suddenly changed when introduced to a concept. the only way this happens is by having other active forces pushing this change into them, such as pressure from peers.

is the sperm cell or the egg cell the one you consider to be human?

Deliberate ending of another human's life without their consent. How is it not murder?
Abortion is not murder, because murder is unlawful. No matter what way you look at it, you cannot change the definition of murder.