This is why I kept my views on feminism away from my family.

[Darryl McKoy]

Well, it's basic logic. There is no other possible outcome.

the other possible outcome is that it's not considered a human life at that stage

basic logic

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[IkeTheGeneric]

A citation is not needed here, I believe.

Well then you're wrong I'm afraid

[Akio]

You are Bolster, correct? I don't remember you acting this ridiculous.

[shitlord]

A citation is not needed here, I believe.

yea you totally dont need proof for anything that you're saying

[Col. Derontchi]

the other possible outcome is that it's not considered a human life at that stage

basic logic

Well there lies the debate. It is a human the whole time. What you are debating is the time it gains its personhood, or where it is given full value. The human, that is. I believe that it is given personhood, or the right to life, at conception.

[Foxscotch]

how is it any different than using a condom? some random fetus has no more potential than sperm and an egg that haven't met
and there are no memories or experiences that they're going to lose. it doesn't even have instincts yet

[Col. Derontchi]

how is it any different than using a condom? some random fetus has no more potential than sperm and an egg that haven't met
and there are no memories or experiences that they're going to lose. it doesn't even have instincts yet

You are living proof of the potential a fetus has. A love cell is not a complete organism.

[shitlord]

You are living proof of the potential a fetus has. A love cell is not a complete organism.

no
hes a fetus that grew up
a fetus on its own is as useful as a loving paperweight

[Col. Derontchi]

no
hes a fetus that grew up
a fetus on its own is as useful as a loving paperweight

If you are not a lawyer right now, you never will be. Therefore we strip you of all your value. Every fetus has the potential to grow up. It is a human, regardless.

[shitlord]

If you are not a lawyer right now, you never will be. Therefore we strip you of all your value. Every fetus has the potential to grow up. It is a human, regardless.

yeah it has that potential you dumbo
but at that stage its useless
what are you trying to justify right now

[Col. Derontchi]

yeah it has that potential you dumbo
but at that stage its useless
what are you trying to justify right now

I'm not trying to justify anything. I just think it's faulty logic that since the child is not yet fully developed, it is not of any value. It's handicapped.

[shitlord]

I'm not trying to justify anything. I just think it's faulty logic that since the child is not yet fully developed, it is not of any value. It's handicapped.

some random fetus has no more potential than sperm and an egg that haven't met
and there are no memories or experiences that they're going to lose. it doesn't even have instincts yet

[Foxscotch]

You are living proof of the potential a fetus has. A love cell is not a complete organism.

okay, first of all a love cell is absolutely a "complete" organism. you can't just add "complete" before a word and suddenly it means something totally different

second, potential doesn't matter. that's the point. the moral issue with murder is that other people care about that person and that that person has thoughts and feelings which will be lost
if you genuinely cared about the "potential" that an unborn baby has you wouldn't be okay with any contraception, or procrastination, or any of that. it's meaningless
and god knows you don't actually care about the kids themselves. no point in even pretending that's the case

[Harm94]

Well, it's basic logic. There is no other possible outcome.

do you have a proof table?

something like this?