What are your reasons for believing whatever you may believe about Christianity?

[ShadowsfeaR]

No, he said,He didn't say "is similar to". He is saying that its the same thing as what I said.

It is the same thing you said. Albeit, in your case, it wasn't 5 minutes ago, it was 6000 years. It's a theorem. It's an brown townogous comparison to your statement.

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[Trogtor]

I don't even bother with this type of discussion because I won't convince anyone anything especially when they're wearing the platinum fedora on their heads. as much as I would love to spread the good word it's just not worth it. I mean the world isn't the same as it was maybe 40 years ago when people had no idea about christianity. now it's not really uncommon to know about it but everyone hates it because of people trying to force it on each other (which is a terrible idea). so basically even if I try it's like talking to a brick wall.

so basically it's just a lost cause that you gotta pray and hope for the best

[Headcrab Zombie]

I don't put all my trust in carbon dating. I have heard from numerous Christian scientists and some non that it is very unreliable.

It doesn't need to pinpoint the age of the earth to an exact age. All it needs to do is prove that is older than 6000 years.
If, hypothetically, the earth were proven to be, say, 100k years old, that still means 6k is wrong

[#Jeetlor]

Being a christian these comments are very offensive lol.
The fact that some people here say "forget christians" is a mess.
Just cause you hate the religion doesn't mean you need to hate the people .__.

[Zharthon]

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[ZombiLoin]

I don't really believe in the soul. A person's personality is determined by his/her health and genes. If somebody gets part of their brain removed, or lobotomized, they turn into a completely different person. They grow more aggressive sometimes, they lose all their memory, they can turn from a relatively normal, peaceful individual into a violent human being. Since I don't believe in the soul, I don't believe in the afterlife, and subsequently I don't believe in God (or in any God espoused by organized religion anyways).

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you're a moron.

[Ipquarx]

I don't put all my trust in carbon dating. I have heard from numerous Christian scientists and some non that it is very unreliable. Any comebacks about how, "their opinion is biased because..." I don't really know how to answer, nor do I want to. You can fight bias with bias but it doesn't really get you anywhere. Yes, distant light, the fossil record, and old Tjikko were created. But I don't believe they are as old as people think.

I must say, you do seem to have a knack for science. I'm not looking to get into a heated argument or try to "convert" you. I'm just trying to have an intelligent discussion.

The specific type of carbon dating that was used to to date that tree is known as Carbon-14 dating. It's almost totally reliable if calibrated properly. Here's a little infograph on how it works:


Almost everything here is completely predictable. The only thing that isn't completely predictable is how much carbon-14 is inside the thing you're trying to date. That's why it's important to provide sufficient evidence that that number is correct within a small margin of error. Which they did. Even if we were wrong we'd have to be randomly off by factors of hundreds of thousands to billions to get the kinds of results that would prove consistently under 6000 years old (In reference to radio-carbon dating, which determined the age of the earth itself. I'm working on calculating how far off we'd have to be to show that the tree is < 6000 yr.). If you have evidence that they were that far off, please, provide evidence! I'd love to start a scientific revolution.

That old tree was not only carbon-dated but they also used a genetic dating tool, which I'll be honest, I don't know how it works but chances are they make just as few if not fewer assumptions with plenty of evidence to back it up and hence even smaller margins of error. The fact that these two difference measurement techniques provide consistent results only further strengthens the result.

If you have any evidence that cosmological redshifting is inaccurate (which is unlikely since it's purely mathematical and makes no assumptions that we can't calculate accurately) then please provide me with some evidence.

[Kochieboy]

you're a moron.

The vocal minority of atheists are pretty septic to those who are religious, while vice versa.

[Trogtor]

Just cause you hate the religion doesn't mean you need to hate the people .__.

this should actually be the other way around

There are plenty of terrible Christians. There are christians I despise extremely.
 Christan religion on the other hand shouldn't be hated but at least respectfully declined if you don't agree with it.

[sir dooble]

I don't believe in an immanent god.
Certainly not one who performs miracles, or is behind every single action in the world (for this reason I am happy to not believe in fate).
If there is a God, then he created the universe, and that frankly might be the extent of his actions. He may not have had a role in even deciding how the universe would unravel, rather just triggering its creation and letting it play on as randomly as it seems to.

I believe in Evolution and the Big Bang based on the scientific evidence produced, but I don't specifically believe that the Big Bang just occured, or that a god caused it.
There's no evidence for either, so I choose not to decide one is more likely or plausible than the other. Hence I am agnostic.

[ZombiLoin]

The vocal minority of atheists are pretty septic to those who are religious, while vice versa.

stuffposting adds nothing to the discussion, lol.

[Maxwell.]

so did you read the thread or...

[Snoop Da Dogg]

Completely lost my faith in Christianity once I heard of that bullstuff burning bush story.

[Trogtor]

Completely lost my faith in Christianity once I heard of that bullstuff burning bush story.

what in the world lol. what made you so bothered about it?

[Skig²]

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I don't trust it. I don't really agree with this either but some people claim that carbon levels have recently skyrocketed, therefore making carbon dating extremely inaccurate. I know nothing about this so I'm not about to try to act like I know what I'm talking about. Just something I've heard.

Completely lost my faith in Christianity once I heard of that bullstuff burning bush story.

If you have read the Bible and studied it you would see that God was on a much more personal basis with people in many New Testament books (B.C. years). I wouldn't go as far to say that He is "out of touch" with us now. He just doesn't really physically speak with us anymore (as far as we know). Just because He talked to Moses either through the bush, or just used the bush to prove to Moses that He was actually there, doesn't make it a "bullstuff" story. There are many other incidents similar to the burning bush story in the Bible.