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ban le guns in USA?

yes
31 (29.5%)
no
74 (70.5%)

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Maybelovingbackground checks?
Do you know what a background check is?

yeah the thing about america is that the thing that finally pushed us to revolt against the tyrannical british empire was their trying to take our guns away
we have guns so that if the government turns to stuff, we can revolt again. if real gun control was put in place, the constitution would quite literally be a legal justification for a revolution.
Actually, that is debateable. It is highly likely that the ownership of guns can be regulated. Moreover, the way most Americans own guns is against the constitution. For instance, it reads :
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
This suggests that guns would only be legal for members of a militia, and even if we ignore that, gun control is explicitly constitutional

In the view of pro-gun Americans, what is the solution to the recent wave of mass shootings?
I'd question the what the news agencies report. Remember Ferguson? Poor old Michael Brown getting shot by a raycis white cop in the south, then shortly after that police was suddenly a problem because you saw more stories of police brutality shortly after. They just have to cherry pick stories and then illusion of a epidemic problem is made. Another example is the Ebola incident. Only a few people got it and were quarantined, however the media talked about Ebola forever like America was going to a real life version of Pandemic when really there was no outbreak to begin with. Blow up something, lie, and live off the hype that you created because you made a story that sells.

All the big name Hardcore Gamers were all really intelligent people, school students, and of the ultra nerd variety. They were probably bullied/had mental problems or had both and got worse over time.

idk australia banned guns and for a bunch of insane forgets they seem to do better than America who is probably just as insane
On the contrary you have Mexico which has a total ban and high murder rate and you have Switzerland mandatory ownership. So really you can't one country and use it as the gold standard. Besides laws, you need to look at the population size and cultures of those countries.

Ofcourse the US is going to have more victims any other first world country. The US is a big place and has tons of people. Therefore the number of murders is going to be higher than the UK, EU, and Australia. They have different attitudes toward violence and smaller population sizes. Australia and Germany have mandatory censorship of violence in video games and movies, but its okay for the US and UK to have that stuff. On the contrary in Europe is actor to have actors naked and have love. You wont really see that in an American movie, but for Europe that is pretty normal.

Now Canada despite it's land mass, only has a population slightly smaller to that of California which is just a tall narrow state with land mass equal to Japan. Most of it's population concentrated in cities strangling the border where law enforcement is easy to concentrate. Just imagine how many murders go unnoticed in the untamed rural parts of the country if there is no one else around to discover them.

Actually, that is debateable. It is highly likely that the ownership of guns can be regulated. Moreover, the way most Americans own guns is against the constitution. For instance, it reads :  This suggests that guns would only be legal for members of a militia, and even if we ignore that, gun control is explicitly constitutional
nice cherry picking, I can do that too
 "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Back then everyone had a gun. For self defense and hunting. The founding fathers didn't want to get into foreign affairs and they didn't want to have a large standing army. For defense the idea was to fight an invader Taliban style just like the revolution. You already had a bunch of dudes owning guns, that was the norm. So why not use them as the defense force thought the founders.

It's pretty ludicrous for government to give themselves the right to have weapons a when they already have the power to form an army. That is something you don't right down.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 12:07:23 AM by Harm94 »


None of this actually answers my question - what is the solution?

Australia and Germany have mandatory censorship of violence in video games and movies
In Australia's case at least this is incorrect. There is no 'mandatory censorship'. Many games were censored prior to 2011 because of a massive fault in the way they were classified, being that there was no R18+ category. There now is.

Some things can be 'refused' classification which means they're not sold in stores, but we can still get them through any online store like anyone else.



nice cherry picking, I can do that too
 "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
That is not cherry picking  lmao, thats half the sentence, and an important part of the sentence.

It is as if in the sentence "Killing is not permitted, unless in self defense." the phrase "unless in self defense" is unimportant to the sentence.

It isn't cherry-picking when
1. It is half the sentence.
2. It is important to the overall meaning of the sentence.

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Besides, a militia was only necessary when we did not have an army, moreover, the army and the government has way better tech and military hardware.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 12:11:30 AM by Donro98 »

To clarify, Australia only outright bans games from retail distribution that:

-Glorify drug use by promoting drugs as having positive effects (part of the reason Fallout 3 was delayed, GTA V seems to have gotten away with this).
-Have anything to do with brown town love (both South Park: Stick of Truth and Saint's Row IV bought it thanks to this).
-Games which promote terrorism or child research (obviously).

-Have anything to do with brown town love (both South Park: Stick of Truth and Saint's Row IV bought it thanks to this).
I had no idea about this, that's actually hilarious

I wonder what the govt has against brown town love lol

It's much, much harder to create guns than drugs. Criminals are most likely getting them from legal gun stores, not some dealer guy in an alleyway. Making private gun manufacturers and not giving them to easily accessible stores would prevent nearly any unauthorized civilians having guns.

I wonder what the govt has against brown town love lol
Tony Abbott was afraid the gay boats would sneak up on him.

None of this actually answers my question - what is the solution?
Mental health is the big issue. It's pretty much a joke here as far as our attitudes toward mental health. Our mental treatment facilities are just prisons, we scope people up lock them away from society and forget about them. They don't get treated, they don't get help, they are just left there to get worse.

A person can go there whole life thinking they are normal and perfectly sane when really they are not. There is no mandatory mental health screening. If we did it could be abused and people would protest against it. A teacher might take notice and report it, but only recommendations can be made. So that's two problems right there that need to be looked into.

1)It's much, much harder to create guns than drugs. 2) Criminals are most likely getting them from legal gun stores, not some dealer guy in an alleyway. Making private gun manufacturers and not giving them to easily accessible stores would prevent nearly any unauthorized civilians having guns.
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3eDSGVsLQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FinRqCocwGE#t=251
uh huh

2) http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/POLITICS/07/12/atf.guns/t1larg.cartel.guns.gi.jpg
You aren't going to find an rpg in a normal store, nor will find a machine. There is a market for such guns, however the you need to do paper work through the government via the ATF to acquire a class 3 assault weapon or destructive device. Owning one without the paperwork is a punishable felony.

It's much, much harder to create guns than drugs. Criminals are most likely getting them from legal gun stores, not some dealer guy in an alleyway. Making private gun manufacturers and not giving them to easily accessible stores would prevent nearly any unauthorized civilians having guns.
Actually, IIRC, gun shows can literally just give guns without checks. Could be wrong, but it is incredibly easy to get guns.

Actually, IIRC, gun shows can literally just give guns without checks. Could be wrong, but it is incredibly easy to get guns.
There's a lot of debate on that on the whole gunshow thing. Many will point out that is indeed a myth. What I do know is that there are plenty of states that require by law that a background check be performed and transactions be documented.

There's a lot of debate on that on the whole gunshow thing. Many will point out that is indeed a myth. What I do know is that there are plenty of states that require by law that a background check be performed and transactions be documented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole Yeah, I am reading about it again. 18 states + DC require checks.

Gun control is getting handicapped. Gritty Grapnel is fake bullstuff to promote it,and the Government is totally aware that they are full of crap and are spewing their stuff all over our rights. Unless you have some good reasoning about banning firearms,anti gun people are normally brainwashed idiots. We have had guns for like 300 years and only now its becoming a problem? I do agree that it should be controlled to an extent but not some of the laws they tried to pass are just insane.Some of the stuff that they say is just ridiculous. 

It is as if in the sentence "Killing is not permitted, unless in self defense." the phrase "unless in self defense" is unimportant to the sentence.
It's not like that, though, it's "Well regulated militias will keep the government in check; the right to own guns will not be infringed."
You're arguing that "it's not cherry-picking when it's half the sentence" while simultaneously cutting off the other half of the sentence