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ban le guns in USA?

yes
31 (29.5%)
no
74 (70.5%)

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heres my take: if i had a GUN, i could CONTROL all this violence. and you can take that to the bank.
um sir i dont think guns are allowed in banks

Besides, a militia was only necessary when we did not have an army, moreover, the army and the government has way better tech and military hardware.
It is the product of age old colonialism and modern day globalism. It's true it is advanced, but's not the only high tech army out there.

However as Iraq and Afghanistan have shown, drones are pretty ineffective against low tech asymmetrical forces. We've been fighting the Taliban since 2001 and we are in 2015 and the Taliban is still around. Obama even said we are expected to be there until 2017. Drones only carry two small hellfire missiles.

In Vietnam we tried bombing North Vietnam into the stone age. All north Vietnam had was Hanoi which was a just a small shanty concrete city with no electricity, and tons of bamboo villages. Tons of B-52s droppings many bombs, blowing miles of jungle, and we still didn't achieve anything. South fell to communism despite the effort of our big and vast high tech air force at the time.

Heck the North had the Support China and Russia. Look at the FSA and the Kurds fighting today. We don't like Assad, we give Assads enemies weapons. If a civil war broke out in the US today, Russia, China, and whoever doesn't like the US would immediately start funneling weapons over the rebels side to win them over in hopes of establishing a puppet regime. There are plenty of times in the cold war to show where this has happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole Yeah, I am reading about it again. 18 states + DC require checks.
also some interesting statstics provided by the fbi collected from police departments
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-20

compare rifles to handguns and then gun control states with non gun control states. Alabama is not to be trusted though.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 12:56:04 AM by Harm94 »

anti gun people are normally brainwashed idiots.
What do they say?

Just imagine how many murders go unnoticed in the untamed rural parts of the country if there is no one else around to discover them.
Oh plenty do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Tears_murders

We have had guns for like 300 years and only now its becoming a problem?
the us hasnt existed for nearly 300 years

Gun control is getting handicapped. Gritty Grapnel is fake bullstuff
Sir, are you actually this handicapped or did you practice?

It's not like that, though, it's "Well regulated militias will keep the government in check; the right to own guns will not be infringed."
You're arguing that "it's not cherry-picking when it's half the sentence" while simultaneously cutting off the other half of the sentence
The problem with that is that "Well regulated militias" affects the meaning of "the right to own guns will not be infringed.
Moreover, within the last century, we have started treating it like what many think it means now. i.e. right to bear arms for all people. Before that, we treated it as having the right only for militia use
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
For instance, if the sentence were to mean that all people had the right to keep and bear arms, it would just use " the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Because it includes ""A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,." it is highly likely that this is meant to change the overall meaning of  "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It is the product of age old colonialism and modern day globalism. It's true it is advanced, but's not the only high tech army out there.

However as Iraq and Afghanistan have shown, drones are pretty ineffective against low tech asymmetrical forces. We've been fighting the Taliban since 2001 and we are in 2015 and the Taliban is still around. Obama even said we are expected to be there until 2017. Drones only carry two small hellfire missiles.

In Vietnam we tried bombing North Vietnam into the stone age. All north Vietnam had was Hanoi which was a just a small shanty concrete city with no electricity, and tons of bamboo villages. Tons of B-52s droppings many bombs, blowing miles of jungle, and we still didn't achieve anything. South fell to communism despite the effort of our big and vast high tech air force at the time.

Heck the North had the Support China and Russia. Look at the FSA and the Kurds fighting today. We don't like Assad, we give Assads enemies weapons. If a civil war broke out in the US today, Russia, China, and whoever doesn't like the US would immediately start funneling weapons over the rebels side to win them over in hopes of establishing a puppet regime. There are plenty of times in the cold war to show where this has happened.
That is a good point, though it is possible that nuclear warfare could break out due to the resulting conflict. Either you defeat the government and are a puppet regime, or you get nuked by either the US/ one of the US's enemies.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 01:30:41 AM by Donro98 »

The problem with that is that "Well regulated militias" affects the meaning of "the right to own guns will not be infringed.
Moreover, within the last century, we have started treating it like what many think it means now. i.e. right to bear arms for all people. Before that, we treated it as having the right only for militia use  For instance, if the sentence were to mean that all people had the right to keep and bear arms, it would just use " the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Because it includes ""A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,." it is highly likely that this is meant to change the overall meaning of  "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
vague wording aside, my point was that by constitutional law, a militia** would be able to rebel against the government.

Entirely no

criminals will still have weapons regardless of the laws, its what they do, they are criminals.
the public requires weapons to defend themselves in the case that these criminals attack them, also for sport such as hunting and skeet shooting.

as a high-ranking japanese militaryman said, Japan would never launch an invasion in the mainland united states as behind every blade of grass would be a gun.

how many incidents have there actually been of the whole 'good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun'?

how many incidents have there actually been of the whole 'good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun'?
Certainly not many in the hundred or so school shootings over the past few years.
Ironically it's usually the shooter who shoots himself dead.

Edit: Heck, even in military bases it doesn't work. In the 2014 Fort Hood shooting, the gunman (a fellow soldier) killed 3 other people and injured 14 others before taking his own life.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 02:20:43 AM by sir dooble »


That is a good point, though it is possible that nuclear warfare could break out due to the resulting conflict. Either you defeat the government and are a puppet regime, or you get nuked by either the US/ one of the US's enemies.
The Russians/Chinese would have to blanantly violate the borders and do something worth nuking. It isn't worth starting a nuclear war if you catch a cargo ship full of guns from Russia or China going to the resistance. What would happen mostly likely is that US brings up in the UN to trash talk and introduce more sanctions.

Now if Say Russia or China sent it's military to help, then that would be nuclear annihilation scenario. However mostly we'll be seeing proxy wars for a very long time since they are low risk.

What do they say?
They often say that almost any other country that has anti-gun laws have much lower violence-related crime rates.

They aren't wrong.

Edit: Heck, even in military bases it doesn't work. In the 2014 Fort Hood shooting, the gunman (a fellow soldier) killed 3 other people and injured 14 others before taking his own life.
They weren't permitted to carry their weapons with them. In the case of the recruitment center shootings, the recruiters weren't allowed to carry either.

They often say that almost any other country that has anti-gun laws have much lower violence-related crime rates.

They aren't wrong.
You had that big massacre in Norway, and the sword massacre in Denmark recently.  Almost any country is pretty subjective. If it's anywhere in the EU, sure. Everywhere else is hit or miss.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 02:26:47 AM by Harm94 »