Author Topic: Scenario: national socialist's winning the Second World War  (Read 5486 times)

I never implied anything of the sort. However, Germany was not exactly part of the 'developed' world pre-WW2 or even pre-WW1.
dude germans were so technologically advanced we had to steal their stuff

the only reason they didn't develop the nuclear bomb was because they kicked out all their good jewish scientists

dude germans were so technologically advanced we had to steal their stuff

the only reason they didn't develop the nuclear bomb was because they kicked out all their good jewish scientists
And because their heavy water plant was blown up but who cares about that. It's not like it's critical to making uranium or anything.

-Fall of USSR and UK
-Fall of North Africa
-Establishment of Axis Supremacy in Europe
-Arms Races between fascist and democratic superpowers
-United States survives
-Extermination of European Jews
-Extermination of Slavs
-No Zionist movement, Jewish race/religion near extinction, at least in Europe and the old world.

Past that it's hard to say because of all the variables.

germany was among the top industrial powers by the turn of the century and held more scientific accolades than france, the uk, the usa, and russia combined

they were definitely part of the "developed" world

It was definitely not under developed, but Germany was certainly nowhere near as developed or democratic as the UK. In addition, Germany holding more accolades than France, the UK, USA and Russia combined is merely an opinion. I don't know what facts can legitimize that claim.

dude germans were so technologically advanced we had to steal their stuff

the only reason they didn't develop the nuclear bomb was because they kicked out all their good jewish scientists

While some of Europe's most renowned scientists were Jewish (i.e. Einstein and Bohr), I think Germany along with the rest of the Axis powers still had its fair share of sophisticated scientists who weren't Jews.

It was definitely not under developed, but Germany was certainly nowhere near as developed as the UK.
define "developed" then

Germany holding more accolades than France, the UK, USA and Russia combined is merely an opinion.
how on earth is that an opinion

define "developed" then
how on earth is that an opinion

A country that has a very strong service sector, the ability to fund its own projects, modern infrastructure, and of course social development of some sort.  

Also it's definitely not a fact because you really cant calculate the amount of accomplishments Germany and its people have made prior to the Second World War in comparison to Russia, France, the UK, and the USA. I have no idea how that can be measured.

-Fall of USSR and UK
-Fall of North Africa
-Establishment of Axis Supremacy in Europe
-Arms Races between fascist and democratic superpowers
-United States survives
-Extermination of European Jews
-Extermination of Slavs
-No Zionist movement, Jewish race/religion near extinction, at least in Europe and the old world.

Past that it's hard to say because of all the variables.

I doubt European Jewry would simply vanish, as many Jews already fled to countries such as South Africa, Australia, Canada, America and Argentina well before the Second World War, or even the first.
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Also it's definitely not a fact because you really cant calculate the amount of accomplishments Germany and its people have made prior to the Second World War in comparison to Russia, France, the UK, and the USA. I have no idea how that can be measured.
do you have any idea what a scientific accolade even is? it's a prize awarded for achievement in the fields of science or productive development. don't you know what the nobel prize is?? that's an example of a measurement for accomplishment

While some of Europe's most renowned scientists were Jewish (i.e. Einstein and Bohr)
einstein wasn't jewish. he was asked to be the first president of israel, but he wasn't jewish

national socialist Germany's only chance of success would be to avoid Operation Barbarossa or engage only Russia and not the west. The number of casualties on the eastern front compared to the western was on a 10:1 scale. For every 10 soldiers who died in the east, 1 died in the west.

Fighting Russia could have been their best bet, putting most of their troops on only one front and stacking their power on those fronts. Casualties would have still be high, but Russia would have ultimately lost. They'd be cutting their worst enemy down much quicker, and more effectively.

The German Reich would most likely allocate their forces, rebuild, and advance them, continuing work on different scientific marvels, such as the atom bomb. If this were the case, then they'd also use these new weapons and their newly strengthened forces to blitzkrieg the West. France would still be in no position to resist, and would fall just as they did in our timeline. Britain would still be difficult to overcome considering the dedication of the RAF, but if we still consider the advancements in technology, then they would still lose after a hard fought battle. It could even be that major military outposts or even major cities could be decimated by a possible atomic bomb, completely crushing the western morale and their strength.

If Germany was to only fight Russia during this time period, and Japan still attacked the United States, a Japanese-American war would still unfold (without the United States declaring war on national socialist Germany), with Japan ultimately losing, but at the same time costing the United States. Given the fact that Germany at this time has possibly developed the nuclear bomb, this means that the United States did not, and therefore could not have ended their war with Japan with atomic weaponry. This would then require a full-scale land invasion of Japan also called Operation Downfall. This operation would leave the United States with massive amounts of casualties and debts, morale would drop and the American public would not view the war as highly as they did. There would be efforts to avoid war with any other major power at the time, this includes national socialist Germany. There's a lot of political mumbo-jumbo, where we might hold a military presence over Japan and some other large pacific land masses, like the Philippines and the entirety of Korea. This could prove either beneficial or cause a negative impact on the United States. (I say the entirety of Korea, as because of the fall of Russia, communism would not prove very beneficial to poor nations, so it's spread decreased significantly, possibly even keeping Chinese communism from rising.)

Germany would rule over this:

and maintain puppet governments in both France, UK, and Italy. Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, and Norway would definitely be apart of the German Reich however, despite what the map displays. It's hard to say what would exactly happen to the Balkans, and then to the Arab region, or even Sweden, under these circumstances.

Africa would most likely be stomping grounds for Germany and Italy during this time. Germany reclaiming lost colonial territories from the 'War to End all Wars' and claim untapped resources that can prove useful.

Honestly, moving away from a lot of science fiction and alternate history, we would not all be speaking German. I do believe that it would result in a cold war regardless, with it being the German Reich versus the United States and it's allies. Given that communism is no longer appealing, China's nationalist party would remain in power, and would have considerably more territory and a larger sphere of influence than it does today. They would prove a great ally in times to come, with inexorable proxy wars likely to occur, mostly in Africa and the Middle East. Certain modern issues would still occur, such as Pakistan/India conflicts. All major powers would, eventually, obtain nuclear arsenals, so the German Reich, China, India, United States. Very few smaller states would also carry nuclear arsenals, like Pakistan.

A United Nations-esque program would eventually be instated, but it would take many years and would not be as effective as our United Nations are today. Somewhat reminiscent of League of Nations.

This just what I think they'd have to do to win and then what they'd do afterwards, and some aftermath effects.

the national socialists land on the moon

WE'RE national socialistS ON THE MOON
WE PERSECUTE THE JEWS
BUT THERE AIN'T NO JEWS
SO WE TELL TALL TALES
AND SING OUR national socialist TUNE

einstein wasn't jewish. he was asked to be the first president of israel, but he wasn't jewish
He wasn't jewish, but he was born of Jewish parents, which would have gotten him killed regardless.

He wasn't jewish, but he was born of Jewish parents, which would have gotten him killed regardless.
yeah but caribou was saying he was a jew

realistically, the only way for germany to avoid barbarossa is to have italy not be a handicap in africa and actually do their job in securing the arabian oil fields to fuel the axis war machine

the only reason Riddler went into russia as early as he did was for the caucasus oil fields


do you have any idea what a scientific accolade even is? it's a prize awarded for achievement in the fields of science or productive development. don't you know what the nobel prize is?? that's an example of a measurement for accomplishment
einstein wasn't jewish. he was asked to be the first president of israel, but he wasn't jewish

Huh? Einstein was Jewish, I don't know where you get your information from but he was Jewish. Jews are an ethnic group.

Also yes I know what a Nobel Peace Prize is, do you know what a democracy is? Germany was not even close to being one. In addition, there is much more to measuring accomplishment rather than basing it off of how many Nobel Peace Prizes that country's people have been awarded with.

ur a jew
well actually I was elected to be the president of the democratic republic of north canada.....