Author Topic: Scenario: national socialist's winning the Second World War  (Read 5482 times)

America probably would've nuked Germany like they nuked Japan

If that were the case then North Korea would have collapsed already.
If memory serves, North Korea gets or got a fair bit of foreign aid.


I'm just gonna say that a cold war wouldn't necessarily come from this.  Yes, there would be atomic bombs floating around the fascist and democratic blocs, but fascism didn't hold among its tenets the globalism that communism did, there was no global fascism envisioned, it was a national/state not global ideology.  Japan would have been nuked a few times more probably, given that their ally, Germany, would be in some position to help them, maybe not militarily but by other means, and they'd have to take a greater beating to finally surrender.

Fascist block has a difficult time retaking/keeping colonial lands after so many of them achieve their independence following the collapse of their imperial heads.  This saps fascist morale and diverts resources, and eventually only a few pivotal colonies are maintained, and these by military occupation.

Many former colonies simply dissolve, and after tribal infighting, more natural borders along ethnic lines arise.  This would happen particularly in Africa, the Middle East, and India.

No rise of communism in East Asia given the failure of the USSR and presence of anticommunist Americans rebuilding Asia as they would have for Europe, and many of those nations, without the shackles of western imperialism, form a bloc of their own, partially under the influence of America.

The US wouldn't necessarily have all these debts to collect given that the debtor nations fell and the economy may not be in tip top shape because of it, maybe, maybe not.  Franco's Spain would join the Axis powers and conquer Portugal; America seizes the Azores to serve as a naval base to stave off and keep an eye on the European fascists.

Resistance cells in Europe eventually fall, or Europe becomes modern day Syria, with various ethnic and political powers each vying for their own state - Portugal, Catalonia, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England, Provincial France, Northern France, Mediterranean islands, Baltic and Balkan states, communists, anarchists, etc.  Terror attacks in Germany and other German territory increase in number and severity causing Stalin style purges even within its own homeland.  Possible uprisings and/or coup d'etat in Germany results.  Loyal German forces bogged down by commands to go out of the way to execute political prisoners and Jews as well as fight.  Some minor American aid goes to antifascist factions, and whatever Great British faction has the greatest claim to legitimacy.

Europe falls into chaos (much like Russia following the first world war), and some despotic strongman warlords manage to carve out oppressive regimes from this chaos bringing some rather unfree order to Europe.  Lots of smaller ones eventually fall to larger ones, and you wind up with a relatively few dictatorial states that dislike each other, but need one another to remain fairly stable lest the instability spread once again.

But that's just my opinion, of course.

I appreciate the assisted suplex, but caribou is like an arrogant pigeon at this point
I know, it's just he's the not the first person I've seen online who believes that the only Nobel Prize is the Peace Prize.
And it's pretty much just because there are more celebrity figures who have won the Peace Prize, compared to any of the other prizes, such as Barack Obama, Malala Yousafzai, Al Gore, Nelson Mandela, the Dalai Lama, etc...

They're all household names, whereas you're not going to see too much in the news about the creators of the Blue LED, or the discoverer of the cause of Stomach Ulcers.

65% of current hp as magical damage



If Riddler traveled to the future technically he would be considered as "missing in action" when he leaves his present. So that makes no sense. It would change the entire future.

No no, the old man traveled back, and when Riddler killed him in 1940-something, Riddler found the old mans phone in his pocket. The national socialists studied and used this technology to win the war. Riddler never left.

Has anyone considered the possibility of the US being even even stronger? As Plethora mentioned, national socialistsm as an ideology isn't set up to globalize, conquer though it may. If the USSR is taken down early, communism doesn't get a chance to compete with capitalism and the US becomes the only other major power than the Reich, as they take no homeland losses and could withdraw more or less without consequence (if the Pacific War is still a thing, there's no reason the US wouldn't have won it). With almost all of the world outside Europe in bed with the US, probably including the UK, they would have the capability to take down the national socialist threat, although I'm not certain they would. It's more likely the Reich would collapse under the weight of such a huge standing military per capita and per GDP and the mix of cultural identities causing instability. If that's so, the world would become the US's bitch for a long time.

The Japanese had it coming. They were allied with the national socialists and started with us first at Pearl Harbor. What we did to them afterwards is simply a casualty of war.
You daft cunt. What you just said is the basic principle of what all racism boils from. You say 'the japanese' 'they started' 'them'. Do you think that the people who died during the entire loving world war II were the ones to cause it. Collateral damage is something that gets hazy in the history books. It's why people can't seem to stop yelling war war war, calling for one, bleeding for one. They don't understand the realities of war, what horrors it entails. A war isn't an ideology versus an ideology, it is man against a common man. When you're a boot on the ground, it doesn't mean horse stuff to you that there is some guy in back in the tower screaming directions at you, you are the one who is going to get blood as innocent as yours on your hands. Because it's your job and duty.

Never underestimate the horrors of war, peace should be as long as possible.

Never underestimate the horrors of war, peace should be as long as possible.
History is learned to see our mistakes and not do them again. Yet people still repeat them because they're too dumb to think about how this worked out last time someone did it.

The Japanese had it coming. They were allied with the national socialists and started with us first at Pearl Harbor. What we did to them afterwards is simply a casualty of war.
history is written by the victor

The Japanese had it coming. They were allied with the national socialists and started with us first at Pearl Harbor. What we did to them afterwards is simply a casualty of war.
pearl harbor was a military port
hiroshima and nagasaki are cities

pearl harbor was a military port
hiroshima and nagasaki are cities
hiroshima and nagasaki were ammunition and naval production centers, not to mention that we dropped leaflets (in japanese) warning civilians to leave or they'd face imminent destruction

I skimmed over cypherx's post but I think he addressed this too

Don't know if this was posted or not, but there's already a book and show on this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle