This generation and politics

[The Resonte!]

Yes, exactly! Let's just make the gap between the upper class and lower classes even bigger! 

looks like what we need is a non-corporate takeover

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[Otis Da HousKat]

everyone knows the government rigs the vote. elections are merely to make it seem like we matter. -_____-

There's no way Obama would have made it to the white house if this wasn't the case.

[IkeTheGeneric]

the popular vote doesn't matter

[Otis Da HousKat]

B-b-but muh electoral college and faithless electors!

[TheArmyGuy]

Why is democracy so hard? Just ged rid of the representatives and make like www.vote.gov and all citizens can vote on all stuff from their couch, not just elections but also bills themselves.

[Otis Da HousKat]

Why is democracy so hard? Just ged rid of the representatives and make like www.vote.gov and all citizens can vote on all stuff from their couch, not just elections but also bills themselves.

While sometimes representative politicians are self-serving, being subject to the whims of the hysterical masses isn't the ideal solution either.

[Kingdaro]

Why is democracy so hard? Just ged rid of the representatives and make like www.vote.gov and all citizens can vote on all stuff from their couch, not just elections but also bills themselves.

Representatives tend to be a lot more experienced and knowledged in government than the general population. That and, like I said before, fair representation per state is important here. This would work fine if we were just a smaller country with just one blob of people that generally agrees on the same things, but it doesn't really work like that, unfortunately.

[TheArmyGuy]

Representatives tend to be a lot more experienced and knowledged in government than the general population. That and, like I said before, fair representation per state is important here. This would work fine if we were just a smaller country with just one blob of people that generally agrees on the same things, but it doesn't really work like that, unfortunately.

Cue the Netherlands, a small blob of people that generally agrees on the same things, with a 30 seat (25%) discrepancy between polls and the parliament.
Honestly I agree on the experienced representatives part but right now I think I'd rather have the direct democracy.

[sir dooble]

Why is democracy so hard? Just ged rid of the representatives and make like www.vote.gov and all citizens can vote on all stuff from their couch, not just elections but also bills themselves.

Technology is not so foolproof that there wouldn't be massive rigging and fraud involved if people all voted electronically.

Unless you want millions of people to all have to travel to DC for every minor vote, or hold votes across the country (which takes phenomenal organisation and a large workforce), then direct democracy won't work safely, and representative democracy works better.

[Tokerovin]

forget the government. yall brothers need farming

[Nonnel]

But it's not the government rigging them in most cases, it's big businesses.
The college is created in a way to represent states based on their population, so that Rhode Island doesn't receive staggeringly less representation than a state like Texas or California. Still, I agree that it's not the best system, and that popular vote would definitely be a better idea to use now that technology advances have gone bast the barrier that was the difficulty of counting individual votes. It's hard to change the entire system like this, unfortunately, but abstaining from voting is not the solution here.

EDIT: Actually, no, that's wrong. If it were up to popular vote, the more populated states would sweep the election every time, especially if those states learn closer to one party than another. It's problematic if that happens. States should definitely receive fair representation here.

More populated states receive more representation than less since the states have a number of representatives based on the population. But it's not fair if say a tight majority of the population of California wants to vote Democrat but a still large minority wants the Republican or an independent. The minority gets swept under the rug even if they're a huge group. That's why it's damn near impossible for an independent to get elected

[IkeTheGeneric]

More populated states receive more representation than less since the states have a number of representatives based on the population.

lol no

You wanna know why we have "swing states"? In an attempt to counteract this very problem, they went ahead and gave the representatives of less populated states more weight to balance it out. This is why candidates appeal to certain states and certain states only.

While still being an issue in itself, to say that popular vote doesn't matter is simply idiotic and you really don't know what you're talking about.

[TheArmyGuy]

Technology is not so foolproof that there wouldn't be massive rigging and fraud involved if people all voted electronically.

My healthcare, student loans, education enrollment and all that good stuff are already electronic via a DigiD. I'd give 10 stuffs less if someone voted in my name by hacking instead of you know, ending my healthcare insurance or stealing 1000 euros a month in student loan money.

Things you can already do electronically via DigiD:

• Taxes
• Reporting to the police
• Pension money
• Decide where my organs go after I die
• Literally all of my medical records
• Manage driver's ed
• Request child benefits
• Refresh my ID evey 5 years

Any of these things is worth more to me than my vote.

[Tayasaurus]

Our own government has already become it's own un-announced corporation. It's easy to look at "big" corps and think that they're just some lone villain trying to "infiltrate" the government lol.

Reality is, our government is already one of them and nobody lifts a finger in question about it.

[Moppy]

Let 'em be. The less of them that vote, the more influence my vote has.